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God be with the days, St. Vincents nearly went into meltdown the time Ciaran Barr was trying to transfer from his club in Antrim. I know of old men who fell out and never set foot in Vincents again after they eventually accepted Barr into the club. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8591 - 14/12/2016 18:20:28 1940154 Link
The article epitomises everything I loathe about some of my country cousins, they dress up their begrudgery in some spurious article to denigrate Vincent's achievement no well done or congrats. This narrative says no Dublin club supporter could possibly know what its like to win a club title quite like the small village/parish team. It is a rubbish article the "facts" as always with Dublin GAA gets in the way of a great story. Players who come to live in Dublin are entitled to play for any club as long as they conform to the rules. Is this a good thing? No it is short sighted especially bigger clubs as it deprives club players of playing for their club. But if someone settles and lives in Dublin whats the problem? arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 14/12/2016 19:51:55 1940166 Link
Vincents have Shane Walsh from Galway and Alan Freeman Mayo transferring in next year Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 14/12/2016 20:11:51 1940173 Link
How can you this surely it's discrimination to say country people can't play football in Dublin. With so many people outside of Dublin migrating here how would this be any different to passing a law to say country people can't work or live in Dublin. Crazy medja, TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 14/12/2016 20:33:47 1940180 Link
Bit off topic but the thing I don't understand is a lot of these outside players always seem to end up at the powerhouse clubs...Vincent's, Parnells etc. Just a suggestion but maybe a draft system where outside players who register in Dublin go to the smaller clubs, teams who finish bottom of the table the previous year. Even the spread. Not sure about banning the players in question from Leinster.....they have put in the same amount of time as the other players and as someone else suggested it happens in other counties. I see during the week Ger Brennan said that Vincent's don't actively recruit players, Ger is either extremely naive or been a bit of a cute hoor. Of coarse the clubs try to recruit players, if someone like Enda Varley landed in Tyrone I would guarantee he would be asked my many many clubs to join them. Same as any county. The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 14/12/2016 21:22:37 1940191 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Bit off topic but the thing I don't understand is a lot of these outside players always seem to end up at the powerhouse clubs...Vincent's, Parnells etc. Just a suggestion but maybe a draft system where outside players who register in Dublin go to the smaller clubs, teams who finish bottom of the table the previous year. Even the spread. Not sure about banning the players in question from Leinster.....they have put in the same amount of time as the other players and as someone else suggested it happens in other counties. I see during the week Ger Brennan said that Vincent's don't actively recruit players, Ger is either extremely naive or been a bit of a cute hoor. Of coarse the clubs try to recruit players, if someone like Enda Varley landed in Tyrone I would guarantee he would be asked my many many clubs to join them. Same as any county." The perfect solution in an ideal world. . But the bigger clubs with the greater exposure are better positioned to arrange jobs for the players who move up. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5012 - 14/12/2016 21:54:15 1940199 Link
Replying To arock: "The article epitomises everything I loathe about some of my country cousins, they dress up their begrudgery in some spurious article to denigrate Vincent's achievement no well done or congrats. This narrative says no Dublin club supporter could possibly know what its like to win a club title quite like the small village/parish team. It is a rubbish article the "facts" as always with Dublin GAA gets in the way of a great story. Players who come to live in Dublin are entitled to play for any club as long as they conform to the rules. Is this a good thing? No it is short sighted especially bigger clubs as it deprives club players of playing for their club. But if someone settles and lives in Dublin whats the problem?" If a county player/panellist transferred from his native county to a country club outside of Dublin, for work reasons would there be a problem? Players move to Dublin for work reasons, if they join a GAA club in the city. That's life. Ken Casey, former Offaly player, transferred to St. Loman's Mullingar from St. Brigid's a few years ago, as he was working and living there. Players transfer outside Dublin as well. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1741 - 14/12/2016 22:49:43 1940216 Link
There was talk amongst the county board a while back about implementing a rule that any country player who wanted to play club football in Dublin had to change county allegiance as well to Dublin, that would sort out poaching/migrating club players no end and leave our county club game untouched. That said maybe, a few would fancy their chances getting on the Dublin panel. Would be interesting. It's gas all the complaints about the investment in coaching and infrastructure in Dublin, then complaing about players from other counties benefiting. Split in half, cut all funding, stop migrating players, there isn't another county that provides chips to the shoulders of every other county in the country like Dublin do. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 15/12/2016 00:30:55 1940224 Link
Bottom line is this players will move up players will join clubs that's a fact of life. The problem here is that players once removed from the emotional attachment of their home club simply in many cases want the best chance of winning a championship when they come to Dublin. This isn't necessarily the players fault as its clearly not being enforced so who would blame them. What has to happen here clearly is that the Dublin county board needs to be very diligent in enforcing the rule that a player must join the club in the catchment area of where they are living. There cant be situations like for example a player living in Clontarf is playing for Vincents and not Clontarf or a player living in Tallaght is playing for Ballyboden and not Thomas Davis or St Marks. If the county board rigidly enforce this then the love will be spread evenly and all clubs will benefit. There's only been six winners of the Dublin Championship since 2002 and to the best of my knowledge all have had significant outside influence. The number of winners will continue to decrease if this status quo remains. BuffyBoffy (Mayo) - Posts: 244 - 15/12/2016 11:59:07 1940285 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "Bit off topic but the thing I don't understand is a lot of these outside players always seem to end up at the powerhouse clubs...Vincent's, Parnells etc. Just a suggestion but maybe a draft system where outside players who register in Dublin go to the smaller clubs, teams who finish bottom of the table the previous year. Even the spread. Not sure about banning the players in question from Leinster.....they have put in the same amount of time as the other players and as someone else suggested it happens in other counties. I see during the week Ger Brennan said that Vincent's don't actively recruit players, Ger is either extremely naive or been a bit of a cute hoor. Of coarse the clubs try to recruit players, if someone like Enda Varley landed in Tyrone I would guarantee he would be asked my many many clubs to join them. Same as any county." Parnells a powerhouse you must be joking there not even in the top division. that's exactly it why do you think country guys join Parnells? One simple reason so instead of looking at clubs like Vincent's and blaming them, it's the likes of the guys who go to Parnells that should be looked at, they get hammered by the top teams yet have country guys frotting at the mouth to join them for one reason, so I don't see why its only the clubs are being put to blame the country guys that are going to the likes of parnells are evwry bit as much open to blame there too. hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/12/2016 12:08:12 1940289 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "If a county player/panellist transferred from his native county to a country club outside of Dublin, for work reasons would there be a problem? Players move to Dublin for work reasons, if they join a GAA club in the city. That's life. Ken Casey, former Offaly player, transferred to St. Loman's Mullingar from St. Brigid's a few years ago, as he was working and living there. Players transfer outside Dublin as well." Exactly cratloe in Clare got limericks best footballer over last decade John galvin to join them.cratloe is 10minutes from limerick city hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/12/2016 12:11:26 1940290 Link
Replying To BuffyBoffy: "Bottom line is this players will move up players will join clubs that's a fact of life. The problem here is that players once removed from the emotional attachment of their home club simply in many cases want the best chance of winning a championship when they come to Dublin. This isn't necessarily the players fault as its clearly not being enforced so who would blame them. What has to happen here clearly is that the Dublin county board needs to be very diligent in enforcing the rule that a player must join the club in the catchment area of where they are living. There cant be situations like for example a player living in Clontarf is playing for Vincents and not Clontarf or a player living in Tallaght is playing for Ballyboden and not Thomas Davis or St Marks. If the county board rigidly enforce this then the love will be spread evenly and all clubs will benefit. There's only been six winners of the Dublin Championship since 2002 and to the best of my knowledge all have had significant outside influence. The number of winners will continue to decrease if this status quo remains." There's no such thing as a parish rule or catchment area as such in Dublin. A lot of people play for their family club which sometimes is a lot further away from them than other more local clubs. I don't really see how you could treat country lads any different from Dubliners when they come up and settle in Dublin. The vast majority of country lads tend to line out for their new local club in anyways to be fair to them. Any adult team in Dublin from senior to inter to junior in both football and hurling would tend to have at least a couple of lads that have transferred up. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 15/12/2016 12:59:49 1940309 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "Parnells a powerhouse you must be joking there not even in the top division. that's exactly it why do you think country guys join Parnells? One simple reason so instead of looking at clubs like Vincent's and blaming them, it's the likes of the guys who go to Parnells that should be looked at, they get hammered by the top teams yet have country guys frotting at the mouth to join them for one reason, so I don't see why its only the clubs are being put to blame the country guys that are going to the likes of parnells are evwry bit as much open to blame there too." Was it not Parnells had a few laois/armagh players? im not up to date on the Dublin club seen to be honest and may well have been a few years ago. My point is the outside players seem to play for the best teams instead of the smaller teams. im open for correction on that. not sure what you mean by Parnells.....you were a bit cloak and digger, I presume you mean financial rewards. Maybe Dublin County Board should get a handle on that, as I said im not up to date with the inner workings of the club scene in Dublin. any suggestions on how to stop this? The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2088 - 15/12/2016 13:02:57 1940312 Link
Was it not Parnells had a few laois/armagh players? im not up to date on the Dublin club seen to be honest and may well have been a few years ago. My point is the outside players seem to play for the best teams instead of the smaller teams. im open for correction on that. not sure what you mean by Parnells.... The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts:261 - 15/12/2016 13:02:57 I think Hill's point is that despite their imports Parnells are absolutely useless. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 15/12/2016 13:27:18 1940318 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "There's no such thing as a parish rule or catchment area as such in Dublin. A lot of people play for their family club which sometimes is a lot further away from them than other more local clubs. I don't really see how you could treat country lads any different from Dubliners when they come up and settle in Dublin. The vast majority of country lads tend to line out for their new local club in anyways to be fair to them. Any adult team in Dublin from senior to inter to junior in both football and hurling would tend to have at least a couple of lads that have transferred up." Cheers for the response its good to get some insight into the situation and I absolutely take all your points. Dublin players playing for their family club is also something that id never be against. I also understand that most clubs have transfers again par for the course. But in terms of marquee players do these tend to shack up at the heavyweight clubs?? From what I've seen Vincents, Kilmacud, St Bridgets, Na Fianna, St Oliver Plunketts and Ballyboden seem to get the majority of top guys that play in Dublin. Is this the case? BuffyBoffy (Mayo) - Posts: 244 - 15/12/2016 14:09:16 1940329 Link
Replying To arock: "The article epitomises everything I loathe about some of my country cousins, they dress up their begrudgery in some spurious article to denigrate Vincent's achievement no well done or congrats. This narrative says no Dublin club supporter could possibly know what its like to win a club title quite like the small village/parish team. It is a rubbish article the "facts" as always with Dublin GAA gets in the way of a great story. Players who come to live in Dublin are entitled to play for any club as long as they conform to the rules. Is this a good thing? No it is short sighted especially bigger clubs as it deprives club players of playing for their club. But if someone settles and lives in Dublin whats the problem?" i think the only 1 with a bias here is you...but it is a fact that outsiders do help our clubs in certain instances which is different to a tiny parish in fairness where there is a parish rule etc and the sense of area is extremely strong that just isnt possible in dublin as we havent a parish rule alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/12/2016 15:19:13 1940353 Link
Replying To Damothedub: "http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/martin-breheny-dublins-country-imports-should-face-leinster-ban-35292648.html Thoughts anyone on todays article ?????" theres a difference between lads playing in dublin from say the west compared to somewhere like laois which isnt far away in fairness...i dont think anybody has an issue with a guy from miles away playing in dublin if hes living and working there but when its somebody who isnt that far away then it starts getting a bit silly alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/12/2016 15:20:33 1940354 Link
Replying To hill16no1man: "Exactly cratloe in Clare got limericks best footballer over last decade John galvin to join them.cratloe is 10minutes from limerick city" Cratloe also have Anton McFadden from Donegal and 4/5 from hurling clubs playing under isolation rules. Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 15/12/2016 15:22:01 1940357 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "If a county player/panellist transferred from his native county to a country club outside of Dublin, for work reasons would there be a problem? Players move to Dublin for work reasons, if they join a GAA club in the city. That's life. Ken Casey, former Offaly player, transferred to St. Loman's Mullingar from St. Brigid's a few years ago, as he was working and living there. Players transfer outside Dublin as well." Nemo Rangers had Niall Geary-Waterford, Kevin Cahill-Meath and Peter Lambert-Tipperary when won club titles. St Galls had Rory and Ronan Gallagher Salthill had Maurice Sheridan and Gordon Morley from Mayo along with Michael Donnellan and Alan Kerins coming in. Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 15/12/2016 15:31:48 1940358 Link
Replying To Gael85: "Nemo Rangers had Niall Geary-Waterford, Kevin Cahill-Meath and Peter Lambert-Tipperary when won club titles. St Galls had Rory and Ronan Gallagher Salthill had Maurice Sheridan and Gordon Morley from Mayo along with Michael Donnellan and Alan Kerins coming in." the bigger clubs especially big towns or that would also take advantage of outsiders..any employment centre especially alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 15/12/2016 15:37:49 1940362 Link