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Just wondering how often the divisional teams train and how it impacts there clubs. The model seems to work very well in some counties but does it create issues with Junior club championship and finishing leagues ect. boomerang (Mayo) - Posts: 49 - 11/11/2019 08:58:58 2248983 Link 0 |
The likes of Kerry and Cork have the right idea. Club comes first but it's a great honour for a junior/ intermediate club player to represent his division. Think Cork gave about 9 or 10 divisions..Kerry about 8. They train about once a week until the Championship gets serious and up it then..Clare could do with divisions and Limerick are reviving theirs..its the way to go without this amalgamation rubbish. Clubs just fold with amalgamation whereas divisions keep clubs alive
bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 11/11/2019 13:30:02 2249073 Link 2 |
Anyone know, what club are the Clifford's with and how did they fare in the club championship? catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 11/11/2019 15:30:16 2249103 Link 0 |
They are from Fossa. This is where my knowledge ends.
OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 248 - 11/11/2019 15:54:33 2249109 Link 0 |
Google East Kerry.
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 11/11/2019 18:32:15 2249125 Link 0 |
The Clifford's play for fossa a small club just outside Killarney . Fossa play premier junior , they weren't in the shake up for silverware this year but they weren't in risk of relegation either so they'll be premier junior club again in 2020. Fossa were relegated from div 3 of the county league this year as far as I know. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 11/11/2019 20:50:08 2249145 Link 2 |
Imagine a situation where players like Clifford, or many others past do not play county football because they are playing Junior club football and do not get either picked or the chance to develop as quickly, without the divisional system. Same in Cork where many footballers come from smaller clubs, many in the unfashionable areas in terms of football. In Hirling also, captain Seamus Harnedy plays for a tiny club St Ita's, however he is the star of the show for Imokily his division. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 12/11/2019 10:06:48 2249198 Link 1 |
I think it could work in Donegal but there would have to be a serious buy-in from all involved to make it work. The Kerry championship has always been an interesting one for me. It might be a simplistic way of looking at it, but who are the most successful footballing county of all time? Kerry - therefore it would make sense to have a look at the way they go about their business and try to emulate it surely? Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 12/11/2019 11:34:09 2249218 Link 2 |
Divisional structure is a great way of picking from junior clubs and seeing who can make the step up. Its basically a way of taking a collection of junior clubs and making a senior club out of them. This "club" then take part in the Senior County Championship, not to be mistaken with the senior club championship :-) kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 76 - 12/11/2019 12:25:25 2249227 Link 3 |
Couple of questions for the Kerry contingent, as their system is held up as a model of a structure working well(a fair consensus I think) m_the_d (None) - Posts: 1099 - 12/11/2019 12:56:24 2249236 Link 0 |
This could take a while so bare with me. Basically we have 63 football teams in Kerry we have 4 divisions of 12 teams and division 5 having 15 teams. Then we have our junior championship junior premier championship intermediate championship and senior county championship which includes 8 senior clubs plus 8 divisional sides , also a senior club championship where it's just the 8 senior clubs involved. We then have divisional championship so we' Basically playing football all year round. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 12/11/2019 14:34:57 2249259 Link 3 |
I've thought about this sort of thing a bit. I think the future of the GAA could be in growing the divisional side model across the country. I'd be thinking that the competitions should be organised on a Provincial basis rather than county basis. The Provincial league would be every players bread and butter and the divisional side would be the team every player is with from March to August. Club league could be played mid week during this time. The Club championship could be played in September and October. There's a lot of reasons why this could be an improvement. One of the rules of having entry into the Provincial league is that divisional sides would have to field sides at u17, u19 and u21 levels in addition to their senior team. Players can only play on 1 team a weekend. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 12/11/2019 15:16:09 2249270 Link 7 |
And that's it really. By playing football regularly players get better. Who would have thunk it?
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9115 - 12/11/2019 16:14:40 2249280 Link 1 |
"Club championship could be played September and October" - what, the entire club championship? Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2229 - 12/11/2019 16:19:09 2249281 Link 0 |
Depends on the situation in each county, 46 of the 49 clubs in wexford are dual so would be a non-runner, for example bunclody who got to both the intermediate hurling and football finals played 8 championship games in hurling and 9 in football due to a replay in the semi final, they would have strong representation on both enniscorthy district teams on top of 17 games already listed. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 12/11/2019 16:21:13 2249283 Link 0 |
I was looking at potential divisional sides in Donegal. I've divided the clubs into several divisions based on their barony but there will need to be more amalgamation for it to be realistic.
Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 12/11/2019 18:17:47 2249303 Link 0 |
Group stages for championship mid week in some counties with knockout rounds in September and October. Players would be accommodated to play club championship in both codes. Players could only be accommodated for a divisional side in one code in any given weekend. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4208 - 12/11/2019 18:23:06 2249306 Link 6 |
What's that about Limerick reviving Divisional teams? I didn't hear this before Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 941 - 12/11/2019 22:29:41 2249341 Link 0 |
Hypothetical Divisions for Donegal: Teams in bold play senior. Banagh Ardara, Glencolmcille, Kilcar, Killybegs, Naomh Ultan, and St Nauls. Finn Rovers Convoy, Glenfin, Red Hughs, Robert Emmett's, Sean McCools, Setanta, and St Patrick's Lifford. Inishowen Buncrana, Burt, Carndonagh, Malin, Moville, St Patrick's Muff, and Urris. Division Based in Letterkenny Downings, Fanad Gaels, Glenswilly, Milford, Naomh Colmcille, Letterkenny Gaels, St Eunans, and Termon. Tirhugh Ballintra, Ballyshannon, Bundoran, Four Masters, and Pettigo. West Donegal Cloughaneely, Dungloe, Glenties, Gweedore, Naomh Mhuire, Na Rossa, and St Michaels. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 13/11/2019 11:28:29 2249395 Link 0 |
For it to work in Donegal you would need to drastically reduce the number of Senior teams (currently 16) and/or use the old divisions i.e. South, South-west, Northwest, Inishowen, East.
mhaith_fear (Donegal) - Posts: 75 - 13/11/2019 12:46:38 2249422 Link 0 |