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Who are the favourites to win the 2020 Tier 2 Championship? 2020 example using 2019 results as much as possible; Round 1: Offaly v London Leitrim v Wicklow Wexford v Derry Louth v Down Carlow v Sligo Westmeath v Waterford Laois v Antrim Longford v Limerick Quarter-finals: Derry v Laois Westmeath v Longford Leitrim v Down Offaly v Sligo Semi-finals: Laois v Westmeath Down v Offaly Final: Laois v Down legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7827 - 21/10/2019 12:16:27 2244745 Link
It's near impossible to predict any results in this farce, as some counties will end up with B teams playing, as was the case in the Tommy Murphy days PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 21/10/2019 12:38:13 2244753 Link
Replying To PK57: "It's near impossible to predict any results in this farce, as some counties will end up with B teams playing, as was the case in the Tommy Murphy days" I disagree I think it's a good opportunity. Sure what's the point in the drubbings that have been handed down by the likes of Kerry and Dublin to us weaker counties. There should be an incentive for the tier 2 however that if you win it you are placed into the all Ireland quarter finals or placed into it the following year like in the hurling. Look how Laois got on this year in hurling, were really competitive against Tipperary in the all Ireland quarters rahoorahoo (Longford) - Posts: 56 - 21/10/2019 12:58:54 2244761 Link
Replying To PK57: "It's near impossible to predict any results in this farce, as some counties will end up with B teams playing, as was the case in the Tommy Murphy days" That's it. A good number of lads will be missing from the squads that play the League and and Championship. Counties would be better being up front and saying it's going to be an U21 development squad for this nonsense. In any case who really cares. RoverTin (Derry) - Posts: 226 - 21/10/2019 13:07:51 2244768 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Who are the favourites to win the 2020 Tier 2 Championship? 2020 example using 2019 results as much as possible; Round 1: Offaly v London Leitrim v Wicklow Wexford v Derry Louth v Down Carlow v Sligo Westmeath v Waterford Laois v Antrim Longford v Limerick Quarter-finals: Derry v Laois Westmeath v Longford Leitrim v Down Offaly v Sligo Semi-finals: Laois v Westmeath Down v Offaly Final: Laois v Down" I don't know and quiet simply, I do not care! I hope our lads all head off for the Summer once the league is done Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1415 - 21/10/2019 15:10:10 2244801 Link
I'm not sure what the "back door" does for weaker counties. You lose your first game and then maybe lose your game in the qualifiers - it's two games instead of one, I suppose. Maybe you'll get three - still less than half your games in the league. We'll see how it goes but at least Tier 2 seems to offer an achievable target. lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 475 - 21/10/2019 15:32:44 2244808 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Who are the favourites to win the 2020 Tier 2 Championship? 2020 example using 2019 results as much as possible; Round 1: Offaly v London Leitrim v Wicklow Wexford v Derry Louth v Down Carlow v Sligo Westmeath v Waterford Laois v Antrim Longford v Limerick Quarter-finals: Derry v Laois Westmeath v Longford Leitrim v Down Offaly v Sligo Semi-finals: Laois v Westmeath Down v Offaly Final: Laois v Down" Laois and Westmeath would be in Tier 1. Cork reached their provincial final so they are in Tier 1. Tipp are in Tier 2 so that is 15 teams. Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 21/10/2019 17:00:18 2244822 Link
Replying To lionofludesch: "I'm not sure what the "back door" does for weaker counties. You lose your first game and then maybe lose your game in the qualifiers - it's two games instead of one, I suppose. Maybe you'll get three - still less than half your games in the league. We'll see how it goes but at least Tier 2 seems to offer an achievable target." The same teams that lose their first qualifier games will lose their tier 2 games. The qualifiers are a tier 2. In a 16 team tier 2, 12 teams will be out after the first 2 rounds. There aren't actually extra games being created here at all. You'll also have teams in tier 1 that don't make the super 8s playing more games. Change was badly needed for the All Ireland championship and it's incredible that they managed to change it for the worse. The same happened with the super 8s. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4211 - 21/10/2019 18:07:49 2244839 Link
when the heartbreak passes tier 2 will become highly competitive and will improve the team who wins making them a better side i believe as they move on to tier 1 Let there be no more tiers haha lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 21/10/2019 18:19:26 2244841 Link
Replying To rahoorahoo: "I disagree I think it's a good opportunity. Sure what's the point in the drubbings that have been handed down by the likes of Kerry and Dublin to us weaker counties. There should be an incentive for the tier 2 however that if you win it you are placed into the all Ireland quarter finals or placed into it the following year like in the hurling. Look how Laois got on this year in hurling, were really competitive against Tipperary in the all Ireland quarters" Or maybe a slap-up meal with Horan. neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 21/10/2019 19:00:20 2244847 Link
It's a hopeless model for a competition. Zero enthusiasm is the overwhelming reaction whereas any new competition or new format should be getting people excited. For it to have had any hope (talking past tense here as it's as good as dead already) it had to have had a same year back door entry into the all Ireland proper, as there is in hurling for McDonagh winners. I can see hoardes of players from tier 2 counties heading stateside for the summer next year, not even hanging around for the provincial championships. Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1412 - 21/10/2019 20:31:35 2244857 Link
Tier system won't work cause it hasn't worked in hurling the same teams are at top level the rest are still no better in fact Antrim have got worst. The only way to get smaller counties better is to put money into promoting games in the smaller counties like they did in Dublin 20 year ago. But the gaa won't cause Leitrim and Longford won't make enough money for them like Dublin can. The gaa was created to make money not to promote our national games. tom84 (Cavan) - Posts: 334 - 21/10/2019 21:58:55 2244872 Link
Tomas O Se thinks it's a great idea ? Despite that the majority of players, the CPA & GPA & supporters think it's a bad idea at the wrong time. The fact that anyone thinks it's a good idea before the Fixtures Schedule Committee report on matters that affect 98% of GAA membership, is beyond logic. Of course when you think of it, people making big money out of print media & TV love everything about the direction the GAA is heading at the moment. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 21/10/2019 22:00:59 2244873 Link
Replying To moc.dna: "Tomas O Se thinks it's a great idea ? Despite that the majority of players, the CPA & GPA & supporters think it's a bad idea at the wrong time. The fact that anyone thinks it's a good idea before the Fixtures Schedule Committee report on matters that affect 98% of GAA membership, is beyond logic. Of course when you think of it, people making big money out of print media & TV love everything about the direction the GAA is heading at the moment." He is entitled to his opinion but asking someone from Kerry his opinion on a competition his county will never be in, is like asking a millionaire his thoughts on the minimum wage. PK57 (Louth) - Posts: 1653 - 22/10/2019 10:11:53 2244910 Link
There could be as many as 25 counties in Tier 1 from 2021. Most unlikely but were eight counties from Division 3 and 4 to qualify for the four provincial finals and the previous year's Tier 2 competition winners while remaining in Division 3 or 4 didn't, then the GAA would have no choice but to accommodate them all in the qualifiers. It's more reasonable to suggest there will be seasons where two or three Division 3 or 4 counties make their respective provincial finals - in 2016, Tipperary (seventh in Division 3) and Westmeath (relegated to Division 4) made the Munster and Leinster showdowns. A preliminary round would be arranged to accommodate the extra teams. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7827 - 22/10/2019 11:05:38 2244915 Link
Replying To tom84: "Tier system won't work cause it hasn't worked in hurling the same teams are at top level the rest are still no better in fact Antrim have got worst. The only way to get smaller counties better is to put money into promoting games in the smaller counties like they did in Dublin 20 year ago. But the gaa won't cause Leitrim and Longford won't make enough money for them like Dublin can. The gaa was created to make money not to promote our national games." I don't think anyone agreed to the hurling tiers with the belief that Kildare or whoever will be winning the AI final any time soon. But it has given counties a level competition with reasonable goals to achieve in a season. Ya Antrim and Offaly have gotten weaker but Laois, and Carlow have gotten stronger the above and Westmeath have an achievable target for next season. Also what about Meath, Sligo and Leitrim no amount of money will ever make them AI champions but at least they had good years to look back on. Tiers will work if they are proper ones and not this Tommy Murphy shield nonsense that players will make themselves unavailable for Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 22/10/2019 18:53:49 2245035 Link
Replying To lilypad: "when the heartbreak passes tier 2 will become highly competitive and will improve the team who wins making them a better side i believe as they move on to tier 1 Let there be no more tiers haha" Tier 2 might be something Kildare are capable of winning. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2739 - 22/10/2019 19:42:37 2245043 Link
Think this be great for counties like wicklow kildare Carlow leitrim and a few others, a very realistic goal for them and a great chance to lift some silverware. Hopefully the gaa market this well and get the tv companies interested as I really think this is a massive step forward. Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 665 - 22/10/2019 21:26:27 2245076 Link
Replying To Royal.Legend: "Think this be great for counties like wicklow kildare Carlow leitrim and a few others, a very realistic goal for them and a great chance to lift some silverware. Hopefully the gaa market this well and get the tv companies interested as I really think this is a massive step forward." Reportedly a text on the eve of the vote on Tier 2 to one individual from the head of sport at a national TV corporation reportedly saying that they would be keen on airing these games. Now it can't be established whether this is the case or not as no one has seen the text publically. Why wouldn't the head of sport make the commitment through the Network's social media platforms if this was the case, seems very strange & vague. Also very strange how it was received just prior to voting. It would be great to see the text published & the ones leading up to it to give us some context to how it came about. Ask the players playing lower Tier hurling how they think the GAA market this & how much exposure they get on live TV. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 22/10/2019 22:07:47 2245096 Link
Replying To Royal.Legend: "Think this be great for counties like wicklow kildare Carlow leitrim and a few others, a very realistic goal for them and a great chance to lift some silverware. Hopefully the gaa market this well and get the tv companies interested as I really think this is a massive step forward." Ye have to be tier 2 after that abysmal show v Dublin lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1363 - 22/10/2019 22:51:14 2245113 Link