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The Future Of The GAA

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry lost Kennelly in '99 and Walsh in '09. A strong possibility of All-Ireland success could not prevent the lure of Australian dollars. Just how do Dublin fend off the lure of Australian dollars?"
They've managed it so far. . .

Makes you wonder indeed!

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 21/09/2019 17:07:42    2238089

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry lost Kennelly in '99 and Walsh in '09. A strong possibility of All-Ireland success could not prevent the lure of Australian dollars. Just how do Dublin fend off the lure of Australian dollars?"
Very strange indeed. It can't be that they aren't being looked at.

Halfdinnerandraspberrycheesecake (Leitrim) - Posts: 48 - 21/09/2019 17:39:32    2238094

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry lost Kennelly in '99 and Walsh in '09. A strong possibility of All-Ireland success could not prevent the lure of Australian dollars. Just how do Dublin fend off the lure of Australian dollars?"
GAA,Goverment and sponsorship euros?

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2136 - 21/09/2019 22:34:46    2238156

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A lot of negativity on this thread. To me, I think the GAA should become CLG. Or Cumann Lú Cleas Gael. GAA will never have the european reach of Rugby and the World wide reach of Football. But it can play a big part in Irish culture.
A big success of the last 25 years has been TG4. It has confounded the critics and succeeded. By joining with the Irish language, Irish music and Irish dance the GAA can stay relevent. Rugby has enjoyed huge government subsidies over the last 50 years. Football to a less extent. By increasing the use of the Irish language the GAA can keep it's culture relevent. Rugby can never do this, it is too identified with Anglo Irish people. Soccer is fairly Spanish orientated now. Ná bí buartha, bíonn an CLG ann agus beo.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 22/09/2019 07:56:32    2238174

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Replying To perfect10:  "the future of the gaa is as it is now,up to about 5 realistic all ireland contenders.not even 5 possibly.
a disillusioned club player.
in my view,gaa is goosed in well over half of the country and the like of rugby are making hay!"
Loch Garman abú.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 22/09/2019 07:57:12    2238175

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Replying To LimerickKid84:  "Unless something radical happens soon, I can't see much of a future for football at least. Kids need to be inspired by their own countymen/heroes lifting the biggest prize but I can only see Dublin kids being inspired for the foreseeable future.

I'm not sure about the hurling, it depends on how much Dublin actually want it. Ironically, the footballers success could hurt the numbers of kids wanting to play hurling in Dublin.

The big winners will probably be rugby and soccer too perhaps but I don't know how the interest in football will do anything but diminish drastically as things stand. It's a foregone conclusion."
No, not true. Look at the Irish language, Irish music and Irish dance. They have all thrived. It is possible for the sport of Gaelic football to thrive. There is a bright future ahead. Sláinte.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 22/09/2019 07:59:24    2238176

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "With the population growing every year in Dublin, faster then the rest it could actually happen especially if the funding stays the same. You could reach a point where you're winning the semi and final yearly by 10+ points. Other counties will continue to lose their best players to rugby and the AFL. They'll struggle to get their best 30 in the county to commit to the cause. We're in the midst of a dark age for the sport."
Exactly jack look at Daniel Flynn deciding to give up football this year, not to go traveling or anything like that he was probably just disillusioned with the whole thing and he was one of the top 5 forwards in the country in league and championship in 2018.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/09/2019 08:28:17    2238179

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Exactly jack look at Daniel Flynn deciding to give up football this year, not to go traveling or anything like that he was probably just disillusioned with the whole thing and he was one of the top 5 forwards in the country in league and championship in 2018."
Would you say the Waterford and Limerick players are disillusioned ? its over 110 years since either won a Munster title ? its over 80 years for Tipp , do you care about these Counties ? Whats your solution to help these counties compete with the mighty 81 Munster title winners Kerry ? Or is it all you care about is weakening Dublin so yous can add to your record breaking 37 All IRELANDS . ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 22/09/2019 12:43:49    2238232

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Would you say the Waterford and Limerick players are disillusioned ? its over 110 years since either won a Munster title ? its over 80 years for Tipp , do you care about these Counties ? Whats your solution to help these counties compete with the mighty 81 Munster title winners Kerry ? Or is it all you care about is weakening Dublin so yous can add to your record breaking 37 All IRELANDS . ?"
Of course those counties are dissilusioned and don't get their best players. Those that do commit could probably give a whole lot more but it's not worth their time.

I don't think any kerry fan would have a problem with the likes of Tipp, Clare or Limerick winning a few munster titles. If the GAA invested properly in them they probably would have won a few instead of Kerry/Cork and we'd have a better munster championship.

Limerick came close in the 00's. If 15 years previous the GAA began a multimillion annual investment in limerick football I believe it they would have been even better and gotten over the line against kerry or Cork once or twice.

Kerry don't have huge advantages over cork either so you have to commend them for beating them. A bit like how meath used to beat Dublin. You had to commend us because we didn't enjoy the luxeries of dublin.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 22/09/2019 13:34:34    2238243

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "Of course those counties are dissilusioned and don't get their best players. Those that do commit could probably give a whole lot more but it's not worth their time.

I don't think any kerry fan would have a problem with the likes of Tipp, Clare or Limerick winning a few munster titles. If the GAA invested properly in them they probably would have won a few instead of Kerry/Cork and we'd have a better munster championship.

Limerick came close in the 00's. If 15 years previous the GAA began a multimillion annual investment in limerick football I believe it they would have been even better and gotten over the line against kerry or Cork once or twice.

Kerry don't have huge advantages over cork either so you have to commend them for beating them. A bit like how meath used to beat Dublin. You had to commend us because we didn't enjoy the luxeries of dublin."
Kerry has the advantage of being the only county in Munster which focuses on football. The body responsible for investment in Limerick football is the county board.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 22/09/2019 17:44:23    2238297

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Kerry has the advantage of being the only county in Munster which focuses on football. The body responsible for investment in Limerick football is the county board."
Kerry hurlers are ranked 14th in the Country

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 22/09/2019 19:02:58    2238314

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Replying To RAHKILL:  "Kerry hurlers are ranked 14th in the Country"
Football is still the dominant sport. Hurling is confined to a small part of the county unlike the other counties in Munster.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 22/09/2019 19:19:51    2238318

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Kerry lost Kennelly in '99 and Walsh in '09. A strong possibility of All-Ireland success could not prevent the lure of Australian dollars. Just how do Dublin fend off the lure of Australian dollars?"
The lure of six all Ireland successes!

DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 22/09/2019 19:39:00    2238323

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Back to the future trivia. St. John training college in Waterford played in the Waterford championship 1930's. Their players were from all over Ireland, including all stars from Kerry, Cavan and other counties. Better than most county teams. My dad was on a club team that beat them in a county final. He said some of those players would say it was harder to win the Waterford championship than the All-Ireland. Strange how the imbalance manifested itself and continues today.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 22/09/2019 19:43:00    2238324

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Replying To galwayford:  "A lot of negativity on this thread. To me, I think the GAA should become CLG. Or Cumann Lú Cleas Gael. GAA will never have the european reach of Rugby and the World wide reach of Football. But it can play a big part in Irish culture.
A big success of the last 25 years has been TG4. It has confounded the critics and succeeded. By joining with the Irish language, Irish music and Irish dance the GAA can stay relevent. Rugby has enjoyed huge government subsidies over the last 50 years. Football to a less extent. By increasing the use of the Irish language the GAA can keep it's culture relevent. Rugby can never do this, it is too identified with Anglo Irish people. Soccer is fairly Spanish orientated now. Ná bí buartha, bíonn an CLG ann agus beo."
Rugby huge government subsidies isnt true.
Rugby can stay very relevant and isnt too identified with anglo irish people at all.
Soccer isnt spanish orientated either

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 22/09/2019 19:53:50    2238328

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could we go semi professional and get corporations involved like french and japanese rugby , i mean if dublin are proffessional now sure why dont we just set it out properly and accept semi professionalism. hiw did AFL work in Australia with a huge logistical problems having less than 20 million people in an area bigger than europe. i think the AFL model is probably the one we need to go with. have 5 or 6 teams based in dublin 2 or 3 in munster 3 or 4 in ulster maybe one midlands team/region and 2 western teams. throw enough money and PR and marketing at it and it will get public buy in. just look at leinster/ulster and connacht rugby

dickie10 (UK) - Posts: 685 - 22/09/2019 20:05:54    2238333

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Rugby huge government subsidies isnt true.
Rugby can stay very relevant and isnt too identified with anglo irish people at all.
Soccer isnt spanish orientated either"
A lot of buzz in my office about the rugby. Asked around after the last Ireland soccer game and only 3 people bothered to watch it.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 22/09/2019 20:38:05    2238344

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GAA should stay amateur. But it should embrace Gaelic culture more. There is a niche market for Gaelic culture. Look at Irish dancing, or Irish music. Both world wide now. GAA is all over the globe too. Regarding Rugby and Football, well both sports have been subsidised by Govt. For example, in 2007, Rugby and Football given Croke park for use. Both made profits from this. OK GAA charged but still IRFU and FAI made money. Then in 2009 and 2010 Govt gives IRFU 191 million to redevelope Aviva stadium. Nice piece of business by them! Sláinte.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 22/09/2019 20:39:04    2238345

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Replying To dickie10:  "could we go semi professional and get corporations involved like french and japanese rugby , i mean if dublin are proffessional now sure why dont we just set it out properly and accept semi professionalism. hiw did AFL work in Australia with a huge logistical problems having less than 20 million people in an area bigger than europe. i think the AFL model is probably the one we need to go with. have 5 or 6 teams based in dublin 2 or 3 in munster 3 or 4 in ulster maybe one midlands team/region and 2 western teams. throw enough money and PR and marketing at it and it will get public buy in. just look at leinster/ulster and connacht rugby"
How many pints have you had tonight?

Awful suggestion.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 22/09/2019 20:41:46    2238348

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Replying To dickie10:  "could we go semi professional and get corporations involved like french and japanese rugby , i mean if dublin are proffessional now sure why dont we just set it out properly and accept semi professionalism. hiw did AFL work in Australia with a huge logistical problems having less than 20 million people in an area bigger than europe. i think the AFL model is probably the one we need to go with. have 5 or 6 teams based in dublin 2 or 3 in munster 3 or 4 in ulster maybe one midlands team/region and 2 western teams. throw enough money and PR and marketing at it and it will get public buy in. just look at leinster/ulster and connacht rugby"
Australia has population greater than 20 million and sure Melbourne has 6 teams...
Dublin arent anything near professional now.
Provincial rugby is completely different. Its a sport played internationally. Its also subsidised heavily at provincial level here by monies earned by international rugby

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 22/09/2019 20:46:47    2238350

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