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Replying To yew_tree:  "Not a WUM. Kildare are a big county. I view the GAO between say Mayo/Galway to Leitrim as bigger than Kildare or Meath to Dublin, on paper at least."
The Leinster championship is a farce Yew Tree. Kildare and Meath don't get any home games while a certain other team play at home all the time. Monaghan and Roscommon players can realistically aim for a provincial championship when they start training every winter. That is not a possibility in Leinster.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 06/09/2019 13:15:10    2233288

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Replying To MayoDan:  "The Leinster championship is a farce Yew Tree. Kildare and Meath don't get any home games while a certain other team play at home all the time. Monaghan and Roscommon players can realistically aim for a provincial championship when they start training every winter. That is not a possibility in Leinster."
Meath or Kildare don't get Home games as their grounds are a kip that need doing over which seems to be going to happen.

As long as people make excuses for why we keep winning rather than some actual analysis of the changes this Dublin team made we will keep winning.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 06/09/2019 14:17:48    2233309

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Replying To witnof:  "Meath or Kildare don't get Home games as their grounds are a kip that need doing over which seems to be going to happen.

As long as people make excuses for why we keep winning rather than some actual analysis of the changes this Dublin team made we will keep winning."
You've won 14 Leinster championships in 15 years and haven't played a single away game in that time. What are the changes Dublin made as a matter of interest?

I don't think Kildare and Meath players should be denied home advantage just because their ground is too small.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 06/09/2019 14:34:55    2233317

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Depending on the managerial appointment to come, Tipperary could be a strong team for next year.
Was only this year that they were fancied to beat Cork before they got turned over by probably the poorest Limerick team that I have seen in a long time. There is an abundance of raw talent there that could push for a Super 8 spot with the right management team.

I also think the re-appointment of Colm Collins will be good for Clare as they will have Keelan Sexton back and have some very promising young players coming through up front as well.

Agree about Leinster but think that the gap will close from next year with Meath and Kildare having another year of development under their belts.

macruiskeen (UK) - Posts: 37 - 06/09/2019 14:36:17    2233318

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Galway will reach the All Ireland semis at least if they pick a decent management team and not this defensive puke, they have quality forwards that will hurt any team and quick ball into them will do damage so I expect a Connacht title and an All Ireland semi final and maybe a All Ireland Final

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 06/09/2019 16:45:06    2233348

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Replying To MayoDan:  "The Leinster championship is a farce Yew Tree. Kildare and Meath don't get any home games while a certain other team play at home all the time. Monaghan and Roscommon players can realistically aim for a provincial championship when they start training every winter. That is not a possibility in Leinster."
Fairplay MayoDan, its almost a relief to know some gaa supporters outside Leinster are beginning to see the LFC as the farce it is, for years Kildare Meath and Laois fans where just called whingers for exposing the champ skewed every year for Dublin to win. Exasperating to say the least. And of course you have clowns calling our grounds "too small" and "kips" as if that's an excuse for the fear they have of playing us in them. Something in fairness Mayo didn't have.
Also they are right of course, the grounds are very poor, but that's hardly surprising when you realise that if i buy a ticket to see Meath v Kildare in next years LFC i'm supporting Dublin as the money goes to finance Dublin GAA who play all their games in a stadium they don't even own, pay for or have to up keep!!
The Leinster council are terrified of Dublin competing on a level playing field with anyone in Leinster. why? Well they spent a lot of money getting them to the top and they are hell bent on their investment staying there.

cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 163 - 06/09/2019 17:44:18    2233358

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Replying To Bon:  "Yea banty cleaned ye out alright. All that said about Meaths problems they still always look like they are capable of causing teams a headache, great fighting spirit in meath teams and you can't coach that, you have it or you don't."
Ah look I think Leinster badly needs a strong Kildare and Meath, the 90s and early 00s were brilliant, Leinster was a real dog fight and you never knew who was going to win it. To be fair Offaly were a good them then aswell, but it's harder to see them getting back to that level given the smaller population and lack of resources.

We've qualified for Div1 for the first time in 13 years (22 years as a stand-alone div1) and Kildare have a quality manager in Jack O'Connor so hopefully Leinster will get a shot in the arm soon.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 06/09/2019 19:57:52    2233367

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Replying To Htaem:  "Ah look I think Leinster badly needs a strong Kildare and Meath, the 90s and early 00s were brilliant, Leinster was a real dog fight and you never knew who was going to win it. To be fair Offaly were a good them then aswell, but it's harder to see them getting back to that level given the smaller population and lack of resources.

We've qualified for Div1 for the first time in 13 years (22 years as a stand-alone div1) and Kildare have a quality manager in Jack O'Connor so hopefully Leinster will get a shot in the arm soon."
Wicklow should be successful going forward. Plenty of kids coming up through the system in the commuter towns.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 266 - 06/09/2019 23:10:30    2233394

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Replying To witnof:  "Meath or Kildare don't get Home games as their grounds are a kip that need doing over which seems to be going to happen.

As long as people make excuses for why we keep winning rather than some actual analysis of the changes this Dublin team made we will keep winning."
Surely Navan is no worse than Parnell park?? The real home of Dublin??

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 213 - 07/09/2019 01:04:45    2233401

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Replying To witnof:  "Meath or Kildare don't get Home games as their grounds are a kip that need doing over which seems to be going to happen.

As long as people make excuses for why we keep winning rather than some actual analysis of the changes this Dublin team made we will keep winning."
Easy for a dub to ignore croke park advantage

Dmck19 (Kerry) - Posts: 24 - 07/09/2019 09:12:53    2233408

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its a great old time, of players breaking thorough and emerging teams.

Kerry will be confident, they have a few key players that are that bit older, but have the underage to be confident in replacing them. Time on their side with marquee players.

Dublin i imagine will regress this winter or next, depending on the retirements, but a core of a good 5 or 6 warriors will go. We will go into a bit of transition, we have done that well in the past and hopefully can be competitive. An U20 finalist team i expect to get at least two off. Couple of minor payers this year will be stars as well. Dont think we will be the force on nature we have been though.

Donegal, coming on every year and some of the best young players in the country for my money have been massively unlucky in the last two S8 campaigns.

Cork, minor and U21 success this year after a terrific year atr senior bodes very well.

Kildare, new management and many great players to kick on from their U20 success 12 months ago.

Mayo had a horrible year with injuries but a big transition is going on their as well."
Dublin transition is years away.

Dmck19 (Kerry) - Posts: 24 - 07/09/2019 09:19:27    2233410

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Replying To Dmck19:  "Dublin transition is years away."
I hope you are right a chara, i do see a good core of 4-6 potentially going this year and we will be weaker for it.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 07/09/2019 09:45:55    2233411

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Replying To Hawkeye9212:  "Wicklow should be successful going forward. Plenty of kids coming up through the system in the commuter towns."
Anything is possible, be great to see the extra competition.

I used to work with a lad from Wicklow who was into his Gaa and he reckoned one of the problems facing Wicklow Gaa was competition from soccer, particularly in the larger towns along the east coast.

But certainly they have a big population (albeit probably a lot of non natives aswell) and could make good ground if things go right.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 07/09/2019 10:51:19    2233420

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Kerry will be taking over from the Dubs they
will be doing their own drive for 5

wfkerry (USA) - Posts: 933 - 07/09/2019 12:38:14    2233433

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Replying To witnof:  "Meath or Kildare don't get Home games as their grounds are a kip that need doing over which seems to be going to happen.

As long as people make excuses for why we keep winning rather than some actual analysis of the changes this Dublin team made we will keep winning."
If Meath or Kildare were lucky enough to be the capital then we'd have a state of the art 82k stadium too.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 07/09/2019 13:08:53    2233436

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I hope you are right a chara, i do see a good core of 4-6 potentially going this year and we will be weaker for it."
Gavin still brings in the older guys to finish the game out the Connollys and mcmanamons come to mind. Is that a lack of trust of the younger players currently leading the charge now or just a smart use of experienced players who maybe don't have a full 70 in them. One thing for sure is it won't be easy to keep the hunger going with the Celtic crosses rolling in. A 5 in a row could leave the championship open for a year or two.

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 07/09/2019 21:49:55    2233484

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It isnt a deliberate policy to depopulate rural ireland.
Just laziness and poor decisions in other areas.
Overwhelming majority of major economic activity has always been geared eastwards in Ireland anyway"
Oh dear...you really do have your head in the sand don't you

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 08/09/2019 09:38:22    2233509

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Replying To Spoddgy:  "Gavin still brings in the older guys to finish the game out the Connollys and mcmanamons come to mind. Is that a lack of trust of the younger players currently leading the charge now or just a smart use of experienced players who maybe don't have a full 70 in them. One thing for sure is it won't be easy to keep the hunger going with the Celtic crosses rolling in. A 5 in a row could leave the championship open for a year or two."
You could be right, i expect some retirements alright it might the cumilitve impact of thtat that force a transtition and regression.

Dermo and Macker are 32 younger then Andy Moran for example when he won POTY, but they have won plenty as you say. I think the lads less involved this year like Bernard and Eoghan will be in the vanguard.

Not sure we rely on older subs there arent many younger players who are getting picked ahead of Connolly or Macker in Dublin or anywhere else. That said Paddy Small and Murchan both at the begining of the careers came on before both the other day. We've given about 5 championship debuts to younger players this year i think, there is always a development plan rumbling on in conjunction with goals.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 08/09/2019 10:11:18    2233510

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When u have ridiculous rules not allowing under 20 players involved with their seniors to play with their own age group it is very hard for teams outside of Dublin to build and compete. Many young players within the province are turning to other sports to concentrate on. Unfortunately that is the reality.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 08/09/2019 18:49:57    2233616

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The playing field needs to be levelled (no pun) financially for all teams. For obvious reasons a sponsor should pay more to have their name on the Dublin shirt than Leitrim or Waterford. The distribution of GAA funds is a different subject.
1. All minimum sponsorship for county teams logos set by the GAA county by county.
2. All sponsorship goes to the GAA for equal distribution to all teams.
3. The GAA set player compensation, like travelling expenses, meal allowances, medical care etc. for all counties.
4. The same compensation rules apply to managers and back room staff as players.
5. The GAA stipulate the types and number of team support staff.
The alternative is continue down the road to professionalism where the county teams with the most money and resources will be at the top. We have already gone in that direction but are in denial if our team is on top. Any body who believes there is no correlation between money and success lives in cuckoo land. Looking at the professional game across channel is proof. Time to make up the minds do we want to restore the amateur ethos or not.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 08/09/2019 20:00:53    2233633

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