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I'm going to explain to you the difference... That Mayo team that gave Dublin some great matches but ultimately came up short was a very experience bunch of lads, players that as 1-15 had been been in or around that team for years, they were a team in their prime. They came up short against a fantastic team. Kerry on the other hand have been a team massively in transition, think of the star players they had that have retired or not available in the last number of years. Donaghy, gooch, the O Se's, omahony, killian Young, Aidan Maher, Darren osullivan, Donie Buckley, Sheehan, Donnacha Walsh...the list is endless, all of these won All Irelands. They rebuilt a young team with numerous lads playing their first final against arguably the greatest county side ever... I'm shocked this needs explaining and everything i see the comparison to Mayo I'm in disbelief. I'll go as far as to say Dublin with 14 should have beaten them, but watch this space this Kerry generation will win multiple All Irelands. PointRoad (Louth) - Posts: 111 - 03/09/2019 11:43:02 2232307 Link 1 |
No doubt about it.Kerry have far too much history and tradition to be written off going in to an All-Ireland Final.37 titles says it all.I knew Kerry would give a big performance last Sunday.I thought though that Dublin would play better than they did and of course the sending off was not foreseen and it clearly influenced the game.Dublin know theyr'e up against it now if they're to do 5 in a row.Wasn't there a time when Kerry were considered unbeatable in replays until Offaly beat them in a replayed Final.Think it was 1972.I would fancy Dublin to win the replay but i won't be one bit surprised if Kerry win it .
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2162 - 03/09/2019 11:49:13 2232310 Link 0 |
So basically, all advantages are with Kerry for replay. Can't see how that is the case. If anything it is the same as last Sunday which was a 50/50 call despite what the media say. Both teams will look to improve in certain areas and will need to. Adamski (Dublin) - Posts: 339 - 03/09/2019 11:54:01 2232318 Link 1 |
Sorry, number 3 is just nonsense. Dublin's goal came because Kerry were so aggressively pressing on Dublin's kickout. They did go for it, really pushed up on it in my opinion.
JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 03/09/2019 11:56:38 2232322 Link 0 |
Honestly, saying Kerry didn't have the nerve to go after the Dublin kickout, did you watch the game? From McStay in the IT: JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 03/09/2019 12:16:41 2232333 Link 0 |
I agree with you JoeSoap and I have to say I was a bit surprised to see Kerry getting caught like that for the goal as Cluxton continually plays kick-outs beyond midfield to the left-half forward spot.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 03/09/2019 12:30:01 2232343 Link 0 |
Anecdotal evidence is now fact I see. BTW, rumours in Kerry that David Cliffords left leg fell off Saturday night and had to be sewn back on 2 hours before the game. Explains a lot
dakid (Australia) - Posts: 284 - 03/09/2019 12:42:07 2232349 Link 1 |
Point 4 is rubbish. Clifford missed scores he never does. Geaney didn't play well. O'Brien has more in him. Kerry's kick outs were poor enough overall, 2 went over the sideline. Kerry young lads first Senior AI. Kerry have a good record in replays. Both Kerry and Dublin have equal scope for improvement. Fenton in midfield can only improve. Kilkenny, Mannion and Scully, James McCarthy have more in them etc. You can look at that match which ever way you want to suit who you want to win, but the fact is whoever will learn the most from the first day and improve the most will win. Dublin in 2016 were expected to easily beat Mayo in the replay. They won because of Hennelly's meltdown really. I feel the Kerry keeper could have this in him too... Are Dublin showing a little lack of hunger with the length they are on the road? Did the elevation of Connolly do something to the over all morale. Look no one knows.. Defaulter1831 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 40 - 03/09/2019 12:53:22 2232356 Link 1 |
Moran had a terrific game i agree, i haven't seen him play like that and against Mayo in a long while, i had my doubts about him at the start of the year but he has been terrific. I suppose its perceptional, on the Fenton issue, i think most would agree he has plenty of headroom regardless of the reason, so we can hope, the talk up here is he had illness last week and wasnt involved hugely in preparation, Kerry lads did great on him to be sure. I think we might rejig the midfield the next day with Jamsey going in and i can see Murch or O Sullivan coming in and taking O Shea. Spillane came in and was part of the flood and four man press, there were stages when Kerry played with three in there, although it was fluid admittedly, that's fair enough is not a criticism, Dublin also can do this as Rock and Howard proved, though with a man down i was impressed how we were able to put our finger in the dam. I thought Kerry could have used the extra man better myself, it was a very rigid 6 at the back for a 5 man attack. Not a criticism really as they dealt with the Dublin forwards ably and we struggled without the extra man to break down the blanket. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/09/2019 12:58:00 2232359 Link 5 |
His arm wont be feeling the better for Sunday either! :D
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/09/2019 12:59:20 2232362 Link 5 |
Haha. Did Johny Cooper return Cliffords arm after the game or did he take it home with him? :D dakid (Australia) - Posts: 284 - 03/09/2019 13:09:10 2232367 Link 1 |
You can look at that match which ever way you want to suit who you want to win, but the fact is whoever will learn the most from the first day and improve the most will win. Dublin in 2016 were expected to easily beat Mayo in the replay. They won because of Hennelly's meltdown really. I feel the Kerry keeper could have this in him too... MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 03/09/2019 13:17:12 2232373 Link 9 |
Ah they were. Mayo missed the boat etc. Shur everything is made up stuff ;) Every article you read, be it online or in print. Opinion is all made up by the author :) Defaulter1831 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 40 - 03/09/2019 13:31:09 2232378 Link 0 |
Hopefully, its at Cooper HQ, helping to get the mugs of the top shelf. The lads so good he probably only needs the one arm to be fair to him. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/09/2019 13:32:40 2232379 Link 3 |
Also though Brain Howard made children of the Kerry midfield as the game wore on dancing through them, i think the Kerry midfield notably faded as the game wore on, as good a performance as the game for 60 odd minutes. A definite strategy for us if Barry is given the man marking job is to use Fenton as a decoy and go three in there at phases, with Jamsey and Howard, Kerry dont have an answer for Howard in my opinion. People talk about Jack and he was exceptional but Brian Howard gave a man mountain performance, dancing through Kerry lines, playing half back, midfield and half forward, what a player. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/09/2019 13:41:32 2232380 Link 6 |
Spillane was on Howard for most of the game and I'd agree it's not a good match up for Kerry. I can't think of who else would have the physicality and engine to stick with him though and I had a feeling he was going to be a problem before the game. He fielded a few beauties out by the wing but I couldn't see him doing that v Moran and Barry in the middle to be honest. His role the last day was perfect and if I was Gavin I'd use him like that again as long as it's working.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 03/09/2019 16:03:14 2232457 Link 11 |
@username forgot to say I agree with you that in hindsight we misused the extra man early in the second half. I think Peter Keane thought that he could use the extra body in defence and pick Dublin off. It was a reasonable thing to do but it was clear after 10-15 mins that it wasn't happening. It was only when we abandoned the sweeper and brought Spillane and Walsh in that we pulled the lead back. If they had done that at half time who knows what might have happened. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 03/09/2019 16:55:49 2232472 Link 9 |
Opinion? Some come within an ass's roar and some dont! Assuming that it's all down to set plays, gym stats and whatever else is going this season is wrong. Ultimately, it's about showing dog in the fight... as long as you have the talent with it.
plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 03/09/2019 17:45:20 2232488 Link 0 |
All fair Gerry, Howard is some bolster in there for the flood, hes a cracking player, one of my favorite Dublin ones, i often think hes underrated until you see him in the flesh. In a way Keane was right though, Gavin could have done a lot tactically in the second half to cover the spare man so i understand him delaying the subs until the Dublin repsonse became known. The conventional thinking was the third quarter was Dublins most dangerous as well, so maybe he was adhering to that narrative and trying to give them a chance coming down the straight, so it worked. Hindsight is great thing! Walsh made an impact coming on, but it also allowed Dublin to be more mobile and commit more men forward, Howard made hay when Walsh came on as there was no way he was marking him. We also introduced Murch whos mobility and offensive play through the center hurt Kerry i felt when Walsh came on we got bolder. I think in the end we abandoned even marking Walsh and Cluxton marked him. There were pros and cons to Walsh i thought. Killian Spillane had a good impact, the goal was a bit fortuitous and Davey and Fits will be dissapointed with their two individual errors, as will Cluxton for that matter - ii though he could have done better, but you make you own luck and Walsh and Killian did well and to be fair to Kerry they missed easier chances for goals on the day so maybe it was coming. I remember Killain being a crack underage player good to see him find his feet at this level, i was more impressed with the couple of big points he got at clutch times. Really put his hand up for the shirt i thought. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 03/09/2019 18:04:22 2232498 Link 4 |
Should've been a free out.......
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 03/09/2019 18:47:48 2232514 Link 2 |