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On The Edge Or Reckless Endangerment?

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Game over Kilkenny won the match.
Am not talking from "sour grapes" point of view BUT

There is an element of the game becoming not just "on the edge" but completely beyond the bounds of safety.

Re Did not see the the cause of injury to Declan Hannon or Barry in detail. Wonder if it could be isolated and put on YouTube for further review ,debate. May be perfectly innocent but may prevent future injuries to all players in all codes.

Maybe Croke Park needs to be awoken from its slumber..
How about it?

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1353 - 28/07/2019 13:22:43    2217531

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Game over Kilkenny won the match.
Am not talking from "sour grapes" point of view BUT

There is an element of the game becoming not just "on the edge" but completely beyond the bounds of safety.

Re Did not see the the cause of injury to Declan Hannon or Barry in detail. Wonder if it could be isolated and put on YouTube for further review ,debate. May be perfectly innocent but may prevent future injuries to all players in all codes.

Maybe Croke Park needs to be awoken from its slumber..
How about it?"
How about you start with how you feel about the incidents and don't come out with such a wishy washy post. You got an issue post it. You don't know happened find out. Then come back to us. You won't lack for media attention or replays anywhere online if that's what you need.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 588 - 28/07/2019 13:41:43    2217543

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I don't know for sure but this looks like another legendxix post. One of his many aliases commenting on anything and everything except the sport itself.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 28/07/2019 13:47:28    2217548

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "How about you start with how you feel about the incidents and don't come out with such a wishy washy post. You got an issue post it. You don't know happened find out. Then come back to us. You won't lack for media attention or replays anywhere online if that's what you need."
Thanks for your reaction.

Don't want to play judge, jury and executioner all in one post , purpose is to start open dialogue where too many now bury our heads in the sand.primarily .

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1353 - 28/07/2019 13:53:37    2217555

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If you have 30 relatively big men running around with wooden sticks there are bound to be some injuries and incidents. What's your point

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 28/07/2019 14:46:59    2217573

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Well whatever about yesterday Ronan Maher shouldnt be involved for the rest of the year. He could have caused Peter Casey massive damage. He lined him up and done him when casey had no chance of protecting himself.

Its a hurling thing though really. People seem to get hazy with the differences between it being a mans game and thuggery.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 28/07/2019 14:50:31    2217576

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Thanks for your reaction.

Don't want to play judge, jury and executioner all in one post , purpose is to start open dialogue where too many now bury our heads in the sand.primarily ."
You do have a point some tackling is beyond the edge but it came from both teams. And punters all enjoy the intensity, pundits laud it, but someone is going to get seriously injured.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4893 - 28/07/2019 15:00:08    2217586

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Is there even a question in that op?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13703 - 28/07/2019 15:03:31    2217589

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Game over Kilkenny won the match.
Am not talking from "sour grapes" point of view BUT

There is an element of the game becoming not just "on the edge" but completely beyond the bounds of safety.

Re Did not see the the cause of injury to Declan Hannon or Barry in detail. Wonder if it could be isolated and put on YouTube for further review ,debate. May be perfectly innocent but may prevent future injuries to all players in all codes.

Maybe Croke Park needs to be awoken from its slumber..
How about it?"
Not sure I follow; are you saying that there are some elements of the game that are allowed under the rules, but shouldn't be, or are you saying that the refs allow some things to happen that are against the rules, but they don't enforce them?

If it's the former, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you. Look at JC this year; you'd have to wonder about the safety of a particular rule when a perfectly legitimate tackle can put a player out for several months. Took it in his stride fair play to him.

If it's the latter, which is entirely subjective, it does come across a little like sour grapes to be honest. Physicality is an intrinsic element of the game, hence Canning's stoicism, especially at the senior level. If you can't handle it, there's always the football. :)

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 28/07/2019 20:25:41    2217825

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Replying To waynoI:  "If you have 30 relatively big men running around with wooden sticks there are bound to be some injuries and incidents. What's your point"
Should they be armed with 'wooden sticks' if injuries and incidents are 'bound to happen? Was that an incident towards the end of the minor game today?

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 28/07/2019 20:36:35    2217836

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Replying To festinog:  "Not sure I follow; are you saying that there are some elements of the game that are allowed under the rules, but shouldn't be, or are you saying that the refs allow some things to happen that are against the rules, but they don't enforce them?

If it's the former, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with you. Look at JC this year; you'd have to wonder about the safety of a particular rule when a perfectly legitimate tackle can put a player out for several months. Took it in his stride fair play to him.

If it's the latter, which is entirely subjective, it does come across a little like sour grapes to be honest. Physicality is an intrinsic element of the game, hence Canning's stoicism, especially at the senior level. If you can't handle it, there's always the football. :)"
Absolutely distraught to see Joe get injured. Either Joe or Kevin are not dirty players. Joe took it as it was and kudos to him. Kevin was also distraught and said so. However this tackling around the neck is getting out of hand and the rules ignored.
incidentally I would change the rule someway to protect a player who has already been tackled twice. Not that penalising Kevin would have done Joe any good. There was no way Joe could have protected himself from Kevin's hit.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2653 - 28/07/2019 20:46:49    2217843

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While i'm not sure what the op is asking, i do agree with the idea of it.

It's a real bug bearer of mine for a long time how ''hurling people'' cover up clear dirty play as being ''part of the game'' You only have to read Jackie Tyrells book to see what some hurlers consider ''manly''

How often have we heard of old hurlers been legendary hard-men when hurling was 'tougher' back then. Most of their stories of yore are about some violent incident they partook in- very rarely do they recall the time they scored 1-5 off their bad side.
I can guarantee that a dirty stroke in hurling is cheered a lot more than in football. And god forbid if you're a referee that punishes such an incident in hurling.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1378 - 28/07/2019 21:19:38    2217863

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