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Replying To ballydalane: "But the GAA have done it arseways with the super 8s. Most tournaments in world sport do their round robin at the START of the competition (Champions League, Heineken Cup, World Cups, all the Yank sports, even the hurling championship), then get into the knock out rounds which is where the real excitement usually happens. Everyone knows the group stages may have the odd exciting game, but their main purpose is to separate the strong teams from the weak teams before the knock out rounds.
The mistake the GAA have made with this super 8s malarkey is that they've hyped it up as this major accomplishment for teams to aspire to, (even the name, "super" 8s), so when the group stages often peter out to their inevitable conclusion, fans are left with an acute sense of anti-climax.
So while most sports (practically all, actually) design competitions to ESCAPE the group stages, the GAA have contrived to design a competition whereby the big "prize" is to QUALIFY for the group stages! Like I said earlier, completely arseways! I would say you couldn't make it up but the GAA obviously have!" Won't let me like your post for some reason but it is spot on
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "The dubs like the 8s because they have 2 home games and it gives them a chance to clear the cobwebs." nice warm up for them no doubt about it .
At the very least they should have been sent up to Ulster for the 2nd match .
Format is dodge.
BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 21/07/2019 12:39:17
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the structure as it is not a level playing field.
Kerry and Cork are seeded in Munster so Kerry more or less guaranteed to go into rd 4 and have to beat Cork to make super 8.
Then they get a match at home against a team that has played the previous 3 weeks back to back. They have Meath last match who if beaten today will be out of contention.
Dubs then have 2 matches at home.
for me a super 12 structure would be better
with all provincial finalist qualifying plus 4 back door teams. 2 from each group qualifying for knockout plus 2 wildcards.2 week break between backdoor/provincials and Alll ireland. shorten the league or start it earlier to make the above work able
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 21/07/2019 13:07:09
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Dead rubbers are the least of the Super 8's many problems. Just wait until a county is eliminated on score difference. And even worse, what if the team that eliminates them had a big win over a side who had already qualified for the semis and were resting players.
Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 21/07/2019 13:22:12
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Replying To centerfield: "the structure as it is not a level playing field.
Kerry and Cork are seeded in Munster so Kerry more or less guaranteed to go into rd 4 and have to beat Cork to make super 8.
Then they get a match at home against a team that has played the previous 3 weeks back to back. They have Meath last match who if beaten today will be out of contention.
Dubs then have 2 matches at home.
for me a super 12 structure would be better
with all provincial finalist qualifying plus 4 back door teams. 2 from each group qualifying for knockout plus 2 wildcards.2 week break between backdoor/provincials and Alll ireland. shorten the league or start it earlier to make the above work able" Yes, Super 12 better.
But I'd have 4 Champs and 8 Quals (better equity).
Also, 4 groups of 3 before KO 8 (less games, no dead rubbers).
Or, Super 8 run like Tier 2 B proposal (with 2A losers v 2B winners in QFs etc).
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 21/07/2019 14:00:11
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Replying To brisbane: "Why couldnt cork host a semi final ?" Something to do with a pitch turf issue ?
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 21/07/2019 14:02:43
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Replying To ballydalane: "But the GAA have done it arseways with the super 8s. Most tournaments in world sport do their round robin at the START of the competition (Champions League, Heineken Cup, World Cups, all the Yank sports, even the hurling championship), then get into the knock out rounds which is where the real excitement usually happens. Everyone knows the group stages may have the odd exciting game, but their main purpose is to separate the strong teams from the weak teams before the knock out rounds.
The mistake the GAA have made with this super 8s malarkey is that they've hyped it up as this major accomplishment for teams to aspire to, (even the name, "super" 8s), so when the group stages often peter out to their inevitable conclusion, fans are left with an acute sense of anti-climax.
So while most sports (practically all, actually) design competitions to ESCAPE the group stages, the GAA have contrived to design a competition whereby the big "prize" is to QUALIFY for the group stages! Like I said earlier, completely arseways! I would say you couldn't make it up but the GAA obviously have!" I take your points and you are right - just want to state that the CL started with a Super 8 in 1992 - KO games on either side of 2 groups of 4 - that was a flaw and money grab too !
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 21/07/2019 14:08:02
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Replying To ballydalane: "But the GAA have done it arseways with the super 8s. Most tournaments in world sport do their round robin at the START of the competition (Champions League, Heineken Cup, World Cups, all the Yank sports, even the hurling championship), then get into the knock out rounds which is where the real excitement usually happens. Everyone knows the group stages may have the odd exciting game, but their main purpose is to separate the strong teams from the weak teams before the knock out rounds.
The mistake the GAA have made with this super 8s malarkey is that they've hyped it up as this major accomplishment for teams to aspire to, (even the name, "super" 8s), so when the group stages often peter out to their inevitable conclusion, fans are left with an acute sense of anti-climax.
So while most sports (practically all, actually) design competitions to ESCAPE the group stages, the GAA have contrived to design a competition whereby the big "prize" is to QUALIFY for the group stages! Like I said earlier, completely arseways! I would say you couldn't make it up but the GAA obviously have!" Well done BD. You have summed it up perfectly.
festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 21/07/2019 16:10:41
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Replying To centerfield: "the structure as it is not a level playing field.
Kerry and Cork are seeded in Munster so Kerry more or less guaranteed to go into rd 4 and have to beat Cork to make super 8.
Then they get a match at home against a team that has played the previous 3 weeks back to back. They have Meath last match who if beaten today will be out of contention.
Dubs then have 2 matches at home.
for me a super 12 structure would be better
with all provincial finalist qualifying plus 4 back door teams. 2 from each group qualifying for knockout plus 2 wildcards.2 week break between backdoor/provincials and Alll ireland. shorten the league or start it earlier to make the above work able" No it's not seeded. It was seeded in 2014 and they changed it after protest. Fair enough. It is unfair but the reason for that is the number of teams in Munster and your own Connacht. You can not argue about the unfair system and not mention your own province.
BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 311 - 21/07/2019 17:01:40
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It would be a super 8 without dublin
Its that simple its now like the Scottish league u have celtic and then u have the rest, either trying there best to beat them in meaningless matches alike the league or trying there best to be within 10 in championship games.
It really is becoming a farcical competition that a brilliant mayo plastered over for years
But that day is gone.
OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 21/07/2019 23:13:24
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Not a lot of talk here about the good games yesterday.
It's almost as though people only want to look at the negative and forget about other things.
The super 8s were brought in to see the best play against each other more regularly.
In another year depending on the draw goes we maybe don't see Donegal v Kerry, or it would have been in an AI semifinal and we would only get to see 1 of them again in a final against Dublin.
We get to see where Cork are at in a competitive game against Tyrone.
Not every game will or can be a nail biter, there were 4 crap quarterfinals in 2017 maybe that championship could have done with a few more games between top teams.
Mayo got thumped by Kerry, It'll be interesting to see can they recover and derail Donegal now at home. That's a huge game that's going to come to Castlebar now.
I don't like the Super 8 format personally but I do just want to point out it's not all bad. People on here are always quick to back up their cries that things are bad and don't then come back to recognise when things maybe aren't all bad.
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It seems we need a drawn game (Kerry last year and this) to keep these groups alive.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 24/07/2019 02:26:10
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/the-throw-in/that-might-keep-it-more-competitive-ciaran-whelan-reveals-plan-to-revamp-the-super-8s-38338975.html
Above, Ciaran Whelan discussing how the Super 8s can be improved but it would put pressure on the calendar.
My preference would be a Super 18 - 6 interProv groups of 3 - 2 games - 6 top 2s join 4 Prov Champs in the KO 16 (most likely, Prov Champs would get byes by advancing from the group as well).
Lower 14 - 4x3 and 1 two-legged pair - 5 winners & 3 best 2nds from 4x3 to Tier 2 QFs - Final 2 to next yr Super 18. with top 2 NFL Div 3 and top 2 NFL Divs.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2584 - 24/07/2019 02:58:53
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