Michael Murphy for me. An outstanding player
Clifford is a class act with serious potential.
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1410 - 15/07/2019 19:37:03
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Replying To offyertrolley: "If you had a choice between Clifford and Diarmuid Connolly to add to the Dublin attack next time out. Who would you choose?" Clifford all day long for me.
That's not to diminish Connolly in anyway but Clifford is just that good.
MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13692 - 15/07/2019 19:54:51
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Replying To offyertrolley: "If you had a choice between Clifford and Diarmuid Connolly to add to the Dublin attack next time out. Who would you choose?" Diarmuid Connolly!
DUBJOHN (Dublin) - Posts: 932 - 15/07/2019 20:09:20
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Replying To MesAmis: "Clifford all day long for me.
That's not to diminish Connolly in anyway but Clifford is just that good." High praise Indeed! There's no doubt he's a joy to watch.
offyertrolley (Leitrim) - Posts: 141 - 15/07/2019 20:20:11
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There are to many great players around at the moment to single one out ,just be glad football has changed a little bit for the better over the last while
hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 15/07/2019 20:30:16
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Clifford is very good but I think Brian Fenton is the best footballer in the country right now.
avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 15/07/2019 20:55:09
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Fenton is a colossus if we had him we'd win the allireland, no doubt about it. Then again if we had Gary Brennan we'd win the allireland.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/07/2019 21:01:40
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The next few weeks will tell when the big teams have a plan for Clifford. We'll see how he copes. I reckon he'll still be a major handful. The great players such as Cooper always found space to strut their stuff no matter what the defensive plan was. Mayo's plan was to leave Brendan Harrison on him one on one. That's just cruel. I once "marked" Kieran Mcdonald in a schools game back in the day when man on man was the only known tactic. I still have the psychological scars!
Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 15/07/2019 21:45:19
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Top forward , no doubt on form , is he better than Fenton or McCaffrey ? no not in their positions , but as usual forwards allways get the label of ' best'
Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/07/2019 21:59:09
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Clifford is a fabulous player - probably the best forward in the game at the moment. Lets hope he keeps injury free and continues to develop. Fenton, a great mid-fielder, plays in a very different role and they can't really be compared. Just enjoy them both provided, of course, you are not a manager trying to plot how to combat them.
neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 15/07/2019 22:14:39
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I think Con is equally as gifted but further ahead than Clifford in terms of big game impacts
All round Con is easily one of the most gifted GAA players, there's not many better as a dual star. The level the lad had achieved is extraordinary. Played a massive part in winning back to back AI championships with the small ball. He's won everything and played a commanding roll in it all.
Doesn't get the same level of hype though.
Con was snubbed on a national level in 2017 despite his truly historic achievements to the bemusement of many
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punditarena.com/gaa/aaron-ward/tomas-o-se-calls-rte-sports-awards-snubbing-dublin-gaas-achievements/amp/
Would Clifford have been equally snubbed if he had the same season in both codes at all sorts of levels and playing a dominant part in so many All Ireland victories
I'm not so sure...
Even though Clifford's hype is brilliantly justified, he gets the plaudits far easier.
Con isn't the great hope of an entire team and Kerry carry a sort of cult like aura. Whether it's even justified across certain seasons and this magic dust is more sparkly.
If Clifford scored the type of goals that Con did against Tyrone/Mayo in such huge games in his debut season on the way to win Sam it would have been serious jizz time... other-worldly.. poems would be written..
Clifford is equally gifted (at football) but hasn't had the same impacts in major games against the best teams on the biggest day. Gavin restricts Con, makes him track back, makes him defend, to win turnovers, to work as hard for the team despite his marquee status, Con would be a different player on many other teams. He'd be Clifford like.
Con was unmarkable in last years AI final against the 2nd best team in the country on the biggest occasion, his team seeking history. What a performance it was. He did so much damage.
To find a performance like that and not even get a MOTM nomination says it all..
Even his recent performance against Cork.. scored 4 from play, two goal assists and 2-3 points he had a direct hand in.. that's 12-13pts
I doubt his name even came up for MOTM
He's a silent killer and I wouldn't pick anyone over him.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20587 - 15/07/2019 22:21:35
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Cluxton/Fenton/McCarty/Murphy/Clifford any of them are contenders
Mannion and Kilkenny not far off either
centerfield (Mayo) - Posts: 360 - 15/07/2019 22:34:24
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Will be the best for sure, but right now its Murphy for me. All round footballer who can do it all. Fenton, Mannion in top bracket as well and right now Cathal McShane is having a super season.
Douglas_44 (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 15/07/2019 23:08:20
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On current form I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Paddy Mc Brearty. Clifford undoubtedly a great talent too. There are others as mentioned such as Fenton,Kilkenny. And I d give a shout out to Mc Shane and Mattie Donnelly too. Many great players around and the problem for Clifford is that his reputation preceded him and now he has to live up to it. He might just do that too from what we are seeing so far.
seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 16/07/2019 00:48:51
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Replying To jimbodub: "I think Con is equally as gifted but further ahead than Clifford in terms of big game impacts
All round Con is easily one of the most gifted GAA players, there's not many better as a dual star. The level the lad had achieved is extraordinary. Played a massive part in winning back to back AI championships with the small ball. He's won everything and played a commanding roll in it all.
Doesn't get the same level of hype though.
Con was snubbed on a national level in 2017 despite his truly historic achievements to the bemusement of many
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punditarena.com/gaa/aaron-ward/tomas-o-se-calls-rte-sports-awards-snubbing-dublin-gaas-achievements/amp/
Would Clifford have been equally snubbed if he had the same season in both codes at all sorts of levels and playing a dominant part in so many All Ireland victories
I'm not so sure...
Even though Clifford's hype is brilliantly justified, he gets the plaudits far easier.
Con isn't the great hope of an entire team and Kerry carry a sort of cult like aura. Whether it's even justified across certain seasons and this magic dust is more sparkly.
If Clifford scored the type of goals that Con did against Tyrone/Mayo in such huge games in his debut season on the way to win Sam it would have been serious jizz time... other-worldly.. poems would be written..
Clifford is equally gifted (at football) but hasn't had the same impacts in major games against the best teams on the biggest day. Gavin restricts Con, makes him track back, makes him defend, to win turnovers, to work as hard for the team despite his marquee status, Con would be a different player on many other teams. He'd be Clifford like.
Con was unmarkable in last years AI final against the 2nd best team in the country on the biggest occasion, his team seeking history. What a performance it was. He did so much damage.
To find a performance like that and not even get a MOTM nomination says it all..
Even his recent performance against Cork.. scored 4 from play, two goal assists and 2-3 points he had a direct hand in.. that's 12-13pts
I doubt his name even came up for MOTM
He's a silent killer and I wouldn't pick anyone over him." Two fantastic young talents that will hopefully be marquee players in the game for the next decade and god willing they will face off many times in big games. Most fans on either side probably wouldn't swap one for the other but personally I am very glad David was born a kerryman.
Con is a few years older so is undoubtedly ahead in terms of big game experience etc. Cons achievements as a dual player are incredible.
I honestly believe Clifford is a bit more talented as a footballer though and probably has a higher ceiling as a player. I understand what you are saying in that they have different roles in their respective teams but if Con could do what Clifford is now doing inside do you not think Gavin would be utilising that to its fullest potential? He is no longer an underage prodigy that need protection and should now be coming in to his prime so I don't buy that he is holding him back in some way. It would make no sense to do so at this stage.
They were both huge underage stars but Clifford was on a different level for me. It's a pity he never got to play U21. If the rules and format had not been changed he would still have two years left at U21. Can you just imagine what he would be doing at that level now? It would be almost not fair on the other teams. That's the reason for the hype, he is a once in a generation type talent.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 16/07/2019 06:24:32
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Replying To jimbodub: "I think Con is equally as gifted but further ahead than Clifford in terms of big game impacts
All round Con is easily one of the most gifted GAA players, there's not many better as a dual star. The level the lad had achieved is extraordinary. Played a massive part in winning back to back AI championships with the small ball. He's won everything and played a commanding roll in it all.
Doesn't get the same level of hype though.
Con was snubbed on a national level in 2017 despite his truly historic achievements to the bemusement of many
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punditarena.com/gaa/aaron-ward/tomas-o-se-calls-rte-sports-awards-snubbing-dublin-gaas-achievements/amp/
Would Clifford have been equally snubbed if he had the same season in both codes at all sorts of levels and playing a dominant part in so many All Ireland victories
I'm not so sure...
Even though Clifford's hype is brilliantly justified, he gets the plaudits far easier.
Con isn't the great hope of an entire team and Kerry carry a sort of cult like aura. Whether it's even justified across certain seasons and this magic dust is more sparkly.
If Clifford scored the type of goals that Con did against Tyrone/Mayo in such huge games in his debut season on the way to win Sam it would have been serious jizz time... other-worldly.. poems would be written..
Clifford is equally gifted (at football) but hasn't had the same impacts in major games against the best teams on the biggest day. Gavin restricts Con, makes him track back, makes him defend, to win turnovers, to work as hard for the team despite his marquee status, Con would be a different player on many other teams. He'd be Clifford like.
Con was unmarkable in last years AI final against the 2nd best team in the country on the biggest occasion, his team seeking history. What a performance it was. He did so much damage.
To find a performance like that and not even get a MOTM nomination says it all..
Even his recent performance against Cork.. scored 4 from play, two goal assists and 2-3 points he had a direct hand in.. that's 12-13pts
I doubt his name even came up for MOTM
He's a silent killer and I wouldn't pick anyone over him." I agree about Con. He's lethal and yet seems to just get glossed over all the time. Even on this thread he is getting very little mention. It's hard to pick the best player in the country but he'd definitely be in my forward line.
HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 16/07/2019 07:34:42
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Replying To jimbodub: "I think Con is equally as gifted but further ahead than Clifford in terms of big game impacts
All round Con is easily one of the most gifted GAA players, there's not many better as a dual star. The level the lad had achieved is extraordinary. Played a massive part in winning back to back AI championships with the small ball. He's won everything and played a commanding roll in it all.
Doesn't get the same level of hype though.
Con was snubbed on a national level in 2017 despite his truly historic achievements to the bemusement of many
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punditarena.com/gaa/aaron-ward/tomas-o-se-calls-rte-sports-awards-snubbing-dublin-gaas-achievements/amp/
Would Clifford have been equally snubbed if he had the same season in both codes at all sorts of levels and playing a dominant part in so many All Ireland victories
I'm not so sure...
Even though Clifford's hype is brilliantly justified, he gets the plaudits far easier.
Con isn't the great hope of an entire team and Kerry carry a sort of cult like aura. Whether it's even justified across certain seasons and this magic dust is more sparkly.
If Clifford scored the type of goals that Con did against Tyrone/Mayo in such huge games in his debut season on the way to win Sam it would have been serious jizz time... other-worldly.. poems would be written..
Clifford is equally gifted (at football) but hasn't had the same impacts in major games against the best teams on the biggest day. Gavin restricts Con, makes him track back, makes him defend, to win turnovers, to work as hard for the team despite his marquee status, Con would be a different player on many other teams. He'd be Clifford like.
Con was unmarkable in last years AI final against the 2nd best team in the country on the biggest occasion, his team seeking history. What a performance it was. He did so much damage.
To find a performance like that and not even get a MOTM nomination says it all..
Even his recent performance against Cork.. scored 4 from play, two goal assists and 2-3 points he had a direct hand in.. that's 12-13pts
I doubt his name even came up for MOTM
He's a silent killer and I wouldn't pick anyone over him." Maybe it's because con is on a well established 4 in a row allireland winning team?
And maybe it's because Clifford is carrying the Kerry team on his own and the expectations of a whole county!
Con can have a bad day and no one will notice not so David Clifford.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 16/07/2019 07:49:58
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After all that I would say that right now, pound for pound, the best all round player in game is Jack McCaffrey!
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8571 - 16/07/2019 09:30:27
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No, Michael Murphy is.
I believe that Clifford is every bit as good as Murphy was when he was 20 (Young Footballer of the Year, Championship Top Scorer ahead of Gooch). Give him a few years and then we'll talk.
Currently I'd say Murphy is out on his own. Fenton, Kilkenny, Clifford are the chasing pack in my book.
Would well believe Murphy, Fenton, Kilkenny could be seen amongst the top 10 or 15 footballers in history by the time they hang up their boots. If Clifford goes the way he's going and picks up a few Celtic Crosses then he could too, in 15 years time.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 363 - 16/07/2019 09:31:42
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From what I've seen so far, he has the potential to be the greatest forward ever, in my opinion. Obviously that is an incredibly long way away and he has a huge amount to achieve before he could be spoken about in those terms, but I think he has ability to do it. He has almost everything you'd want in a forward. There's a lot that can happen however in a career. He's very fresh now. How he deals with setbacks will be part of it and of course, hopefully he stays clear of any major injury. He's a joy to watch, as long as he's not terrorising your own county's full-back line.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2018 - 16/07/2019 09:33:26
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