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Replying To avonali: "Ok. I get the picture. you like name calling and dishing out sill insults. Zero credibility. Good luck with that." Pardon me. Avonali. My predictive text.
Only speaking my mind. Like old school supporters. Good luck to you too.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/07/2019 12:00:37
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Replying To avonali: "Ok. I get the picture. you like name calling and dishing out sill insults. Zero credibility. Good luck with that." I also like fair play.
We don't have that with regard to the Dublin 'situation' in the GAA. Or we don't receive it from the GAA hierarchy.
BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 25/07/2019 12:01:49
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How about taking the so called 'Croke Park game' on the road?
Rotate the weekend around the 4 provinces each year!
So for example play next year in Cork or Thurles and the next year round of fixtures be in Galway or Castlebar and so on....
That way its gives the fans a great chance to travel to different venues and also generates a boost for them towns/counties as well. The grounds would be near capacity also and create a better atmosphere, as a result this reserves Croker for 'that special day' from the semi finals onwards.
It also takes away the so called unfair advantage that people so the dubs have, although I disagree!
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Replying To Fr.Jack: "How about taking the so called 'Croke Park game' on the road?
Rotate the weekend around the 4 provinces each year!
So for example play next year in Cork or Thurles and the next year round of fixtures be in Galway or Castlebar and so on....
That way its gives the fans a great chance to travel to different venues and also generates a boost for them towns/counties as well. The grounds would be near capacity also and create a better atmosphere, as a result this reserves Croker for 'that special day' from the semi finals onwards.
It also takes away the so called unfair advantage that people so the dubs have, although I disagree!" Disaster of an idea
joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 214 - 26/07/2019 14:14:55
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Replying To joeteor: "Disaster of an idea" What would be your solution?
Fr.Jack (Mayo) - Posts: 3 - 26/07/2019 16:04:47
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Super 8's were the brainchild of the outgoing Ard Stiurothoir, surely somebody could ask him what preparation & planning was entailed around the dead rubber games or was it all just done as a departing vanity project or bending to the pressure exerted by TV Rights & the money they invested. One thing for sure is that every eventuality wasn't thought out & the planning & execution of it was sub standard.
Super 8's are actually killing Gaelic football & attendances are falling dramatically. As for the BS story that was spun about TV rights at the time & the Diaspora by the last President & DG, the sad recent figures where at one stage no one was tuned in to one of our games on SKY, yet viewing figures for a televised game on RTE were massive showed that we were sold a pup.
moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 26/07/2019 17:06:42
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Replying To Fr.Jack: "What would be your solution?" Leave as is or use stand alone neutral venues. Forget about the idea of putting double headers in castlebar or galway or clones for that matter.
joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 214 - 26/07/2019 19:13:35
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So it's come to this. Despite all the flaws we've seen with the super 8's so far, and the flak the GAA has taken over it surely this is how the idea was envisioned. A Saturday night game against two heavyweights to decide who reaches the All Ireland semi-finals. A capacity (albeit reduced) crowd in a buzzing provincial town. After two tough games each in the group it all comes down to this, it's do or die and the country eagerly awaits a titanic tussle set to the dazzling backdrop of colour noise and passion from the crowd!
Except they won't get to see it. The game is behind a Sky Sports pay wall. The viewing audience will be a fraction of what it would have been if it was on the national broadcaster. Fans of both teams will be at the game, or find a way to watch it, granted. But what about the hundreds of thousands of casual fans throughout the country who now won't see it. Not forgetting the casual fans within the competing counties. There's no shortage of families out there with no affiliation to the GAA and its watching games like this which often makes a child to want to play our games, who otherwise wouldn't have wanted to. Then the parent gets involved in helping out, and soon the whole family are active members of their club and the thing grows and grows…
What price does the GAA put on having our games exposed to a maximum audience and to give our games maximum exposure? Does the money received by sky offset an audience drop of hundreds of thousands that otherwise would have been watching. I don't think it does. Without the national exposure that free to air live games give, the games really loose something special.
Oh, and on the Sunday there will be two dead rubbers in the "business end" of the championship. "Super" 8's indeed.
Antifa (Donegal) - Posts: 143 - 30/07/2019 14:59:32
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Replying To moc.dna: "Super 8's were the brainchild of the outgoing Ard Stiurothoir, surely somebody could ask him what preparation & planning was entailed around the dead rubber games or was it all just done as a departing vanity project or bending to the pressure exerted by TV Rights & the money they invested. One thing for sure is that every eventuality wasn't thought out & the planning & execution of it was sub standard.
Super 8's are actually killing Gaelic football & attendances are falling dramatically. As for the BS story that was spun about TV rights at the time & the Diaspora by the last President & DG, the sad recent figures where at one stage no one was tuned in to one of our games on SKY, yet viewing figures for a televised game on RTE were massive showed that we were sold a pup." And when the next media deal is up for discussion after the current one ends in 2021 you will probably have eir sports and virgin media also competing for championship coverage, both of whom would operate behind pay walls too.
Radio coverage has also been neglected in the discussion. You find out more info on games from newstalk who have no commentary rights, than what you would on rte radio who do have it. The standard of commentary is very poor on rte radio. It was a bad decision to give them exclusive national radio rights.
Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 30/07/2019 15:58:49
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Replying To Antifa: "So it's come to this. Despite all the flaws we've seen with the super 8's so far, and the flak the GAA has taken over it surely this is how the idea was envisioned. A Saturday night game against two heavyweights to decide who reaches the All Ireland semi-finals. A capacity (albeit reduced) crowd in a buzzing provincial town. After two tough games each in the group it all comes down to this, it's do or die and the country eagerly awaits a titanic tussle set to the dazzling backdrop of colour noise and passion from the crowd!
Except they won't get to see it. The game is behind a Sky Sports pay wall. The viewing audience will be a fraction of what it would have been if it was on the national broadcaster. Fans of both teams will be at the game, or find a way to watch it, granted. But what about the hundreds of thousands of casual fans throughout the country who now won't see it. Not forgetting the casual fans within the competing counties. There's no shortage of families out there with no affiliation to the GAA and its watching games like this which often makes a child to want to play our games, who otherwise wouldn't have wanted to. Then the parent gets involved in helping out, and soon the whole family are active members of their club and the thing grows and grows…
What price does the GAA put on having our games exposed to a maximum audience and to give our games maximum exposure? Does the money received by sky offset an audience drop of hundreds of thousands that otherwise would have been watching. I don't think it does. Without the national exposure that free to air live games give, the games really loose something special.
Oh, and on the Sunday there will be two dead rubbers in the "business end" of the championship. "Super" 8's indeed." There is only one "dead rubber" match on Sunday, the Cork Roscommon game, as it has no bearing on anything.
The Dublin Tyrone game will decide who plays who in the semi finals and as such has a big bearing on proceedings.
MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 30/07/2019 17:23:21
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The Super 8 concept is a mess from start to finish. There used to be this thing called the Quarter Finals which worked perfectly well instead of having to play 3 quarter finals to get to a Semi Final which then has a 7 day turnaround. Such a joke, money oriented decision with player burnout and expense on the customer in the background as per usual.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1319 - 30/07/2019 18:17:14
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Replying To Donegal_abroad: "The Super 8 concept is a mess from start to finish. There used to be this thing called the Quarter Finals which worked perfectly well instead of having to play 3 quarter finals to get to a Semi Final which then has a 7 day turnaround. Such a joke, money oriented decision with player burnout and expense on the customer in the background as per usual." Would have to agree. It will be interesting to see what the attendances for this year look like. With your team playing 3 games in just over 3 weeks people will stop going due to the high costs.
kevin03 (Tyrone) - Posts: 276 - 30/07/2019 19:23:16
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Replying To Thelonesomegoose: "And when the next media deal is up for discussion after the current one ends in 2021 you will probably have eir sports and virgin media also competing for championship coverage, both of whom would operate behind pay walls too.
Radio coverage has also been neglected in the discussion. You find out more info on games from newstalk who have no commentary rights, than what you would on rte radio who do have it. The standard of commentary is very poor on rte radio. It was a bad decision to give them exclusive national radio rights." RTE radio coverage of hurling and football is very good and they have a lot of commentators and reporters at games. Love listening to Lodge and Mullane. Why wouldn't Newstalk have good GAA info seeing as they have plenty of time to do it because they didn't renew their commentary contract. Probably because they're older but I find the RTE reporters much more knowledgeable than the Newstalk alternative. Again, an age thing, I think some of the Newstalk analysts are too hipster at times looking to say buzzwords rather than analysis but Shane Stapleton and Eoin Sheehan are very good. I love listening to Tommy Walsh when he's on. Whatever they pay him it's not enough. Outside and including RTE and Newstalk there are some good GAA podcasts.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 30/07/2019 19:41:43
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The change I would make is that round 3 dead rubbers should be cancelled. Ros/Cork this year is just a waste. Battles for first and second place are great.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 31/07/2019 12:11:06
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One way to end this super 8 farce is for Roscommon to refuse to travel to Cork for a dead rubber game, the GAA would fine the Rossies but would show the GAA once and for all that this system is a joke, go back to the straight forward knockout quarter finals where the 4 provincial champions play the 4 qualifiers, therefore Donegal, Kerry, Dublin and Tyrone would have qualified for the semis after the 1st round of matches, Mayo or Tyrone could win the All Ireland title after losing 2 championship games while Dublin, Donegal and Kerry would be out if they lose 1 game that is if Dublin beat Tyrone and Kerry best Meath at the weekend firstly
riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 31/07/2019 12:21:45
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Replying To moc.dna: "Super 8's were the brainchild of the outgoing Ard Stiurothoir, surely somebody could ask him what preparation & planning was entailed around the dead rubber games or was it all just done as a departing vanity project or bending to the pressure exerted by TV Rights & the money they invested. One thing for sure is that every eventuality wasn't thought out & the planning & execution of it was sub standard.
Super 8's are actually killing Gaelic football & attendances are falling dramatically. As for the BS story that was spun about TV rights at the time & the Diaspora by the last President & DG, the sad recent figures where at one stage no one was tuned in to one of our games on SKY, yet viewing figures for a televised game on RTE were massive showed that we were sold a pup." Sky Sports change the concept of every sport they get involved in, from soccer to Rugby league. When they decided GAA should become part of their package they were never to going to sit back and stay quiet.
I believe the super 8 concept came from Sky Sports, I'm also convinced the idea of a secondary competition came out of the same conversations. I'd guess Sky Sports are in this for the long haul and their eventual plan is to have an extention of the super 8's being played right throughout the summer - involving the top 12 - 16 teams.
I don't think the GAA will give any more attention to a secondary football championship than they do to the lower hurling competitions. This is all about pushing the weaker counties out of the road so Sky/GAA/RTE can form a concept they can sell to their audiences and most importantly sponsers. It will only be Div 1 and Div 2 teams playing each other and the rest will be completly forgotten about after the first year. This is what's happening here and I think weaker counties should be careful.
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Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "The change I would make is that round 3 dead rubbers should be cancelled. Ros/Cork this year is just a waste. Battles for first and second place are great." Supporters have booked accommodation, paid for tickets, made plans to go to these games and they bring in a few quid to the local businesses. Be an ideal chance for either team to finish the season with a feelgood factor and as there's nothing to lose the dead rubber games should be good games.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 31/07/2019 13:47:14
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Replying To sam1884: "Sky Sports change the concept of every sport they get involved in, from soccer to Rugby league. When they decided GAA should become part of their package they were never to going to sit back and stay quiet.
I believe the super 8 concept came from Sky Sports, I'm also convinced the idea of a secondary competition came out of the same conversations. I'd guess Sky Sports are in this for the long haul and their eventual plan is to have an extention of the super 8's being played right throughout the summer - involving the top 12 - 16 teams.
I don't think the GAA will give any more attention to a secondary football championship than they do to the lower hurling competitions. This is all about pushing the weaker counties out of the road so Sky/GAA/RTE can form a concept they can sell to their audiences and most importantly sponsers. It will only be Div 1 and Div 2 teams playing each other and the rest will be completly forgotten about after the first year. This is what's happening here and I think weaker counties should be careful." I think weaker counties will eventually merge long term.
Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 244 - 31/07/2019 13:56:04
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Replying To sam1884: "Sky Sports change the concept of every sport they get involved in, from soccer to Rugby league. When they decided GAA should become part of their package they were never to going to sit back and stay quiet.
I believe the super 8 concept came from Sky Sports, I'm also convinced the idea of a secondary competition came out of the same conversations. I'd guess Sky Sports are in this for the long haul and their eventual plan is to have an extention of the super 8's being played right throughout the summer - involving the top 12 - 16 teams.
I don't think the GAA will give any more attention to a secondary football championship than they do to the lower hurling competitions. This is all about pushing the weaker counties out of the road so Sky/GAA/RTE can form a concept they can sell to their audiences and most importantly sponsers. It will only be Div 1 and Div 2 teams playing each other and the rest will be completly forgotten about after the first year. This is what's happening here and I think weaker counties should be careful." There's a lot of people pushing a tiered championship agenda. I don't think Sky Sports are calling any shots here but do think some accountants with no feel for the games would prefer to back the elite counties and ignore the rest.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 31/07/2019 14:01:23
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Replying To Al_Maguire: "I think weaker counties will eventually merge long term." Donegal with Derry? Be known as Donder
Thelonesomegoose (Leitrim) - Posts: 204 - 31/07/2019 15:11:04
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