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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Providing meath don't have a massive hangover from leinster final I can see meath winning this handy. Meath minus 2 at evens is the bet of the weekend. Lump on people lump on."
That's a very big assumption when you look at the leinster final losers over the last 10 years. We are up against it with Clare.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 04/07/2019 01:03:01    2205257

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I have faith in both the management and players. Win on Sunday and that is every goal achieved, I really don't get what people think I say. I will NEVER go to a game believing we won't win. I couldn't call myself a real supporter if I did.
In January management county board and players all stated the 3 goals for this year was promotion to division 1, reach a Leinster final , and reach the super 8s , we are 70 minutes away from everything been achieved, so in that sense it has been a fantastic year. Yes the finishing against dubs was extremely disappointing, no one is saying otherwise, 11 shots on goal to 9 to dubs in first half shows we left our shooting boots behind when you see the return . We know we hell lot better than that.
Wouldn't be surprised if we shot the lights out v Clare. Beware the wounded royal."
By that logic I assume that you think Meath are going to win every game they play this and come September will be All Ireland Champions. Fair assumption?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 04/07/2019 07:51:55    2205271

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Replying To the_walls:  "By that logic I assume that you think Meath are going to win every game they play this and come September will be All Ireland Champions. Fair assumption?"
If you can't dream it you'll never achieve it, if mayo had more belief in themvselfs rather then self pity then I'm sure they would of won some of them all Ireland's they left behind in recent years.

Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 665 - 04/07/2019 12:20:35    2205393

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "Providing meath don't have a massive hangover from leinster final I can see meath winning this handy. Meath minus 2 at evens is the bet of the weekend. Lump on people lump on."
Those sneaky Meath hoors... roll over against Dublin so they then get handy odds from Paddy P! And all over the county they lump the money on them before they clobber Clare.

marooney (Galway) - Posts: 88 - 04/07/2019 12:58:19    2205410

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I have faith in both the management and players. Win on Sunday and that is every goal achieved, I really don't get what people think I say. I will NEVER go to a game believing we won't win. I couldn't call myself a real supporter if I did.
In January management county board and players all stated the 3 goals for this year was promotion to division 1, reach a Leinster final , and reach the super 8s , we are 70 minutes away from everything been achieved, so in that sense it has been a fantastic year. Yes the finishing against dubs was extremely disappointing, no one is saying otherwise, 11 shots on goal to 9 to dubs in first half shows we left our shooting boots behind when you see the return . We know we hell lot better than that.
Wouldn't be surprised if we shot the lights out v Clare. Beware the wounded royal."
That's not a real fan that's just deluded. If anyhting a "real" fan is someone who believes their team won't win but goes anyway, hoping to be proven wrong

TheTownieEnd (Galway) - Posts: 3 - 04/07/2019 12:59:59    2205411

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Losing leinster finalist have only won the next game 4 times since it began in 2001. Terrible record.

2001 Dublin v Sligo
2005 Laois v Derry
2008 Wexford V Down
2009 Kidare v Wicklow

bobkarlgees (Meath) - Posts: 1263 - 04/07/2019 13:07:35    2205416

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Replying To royaldunne:  "No ones blowing trumpets. Apart from Tyrone thinking that they can actually challenge dubs lol.
We come into this game as underdogs after a bad showing by our forwards in Leinster final.
However we have beat Clare on last 3 meetings, but the margin of victory has closed on each one (5 in this years league).
On a separate note this will complete Meaths haul of playing teams. Upto this draw the only team in ire that Meath had not played in championship football was Clare. That comes to a end on Sunday."
God forbid someone actually thinks they can challenge the Dubs!

Meath really are becoming pathetic.

Over the past couple of years we have beaten Dublin in the league and got closer to them in championship football than any other county bar Mayo.

I suppose we should all take Meaths approach and accept our hammering before it even happens.

4 points in over 70 min of football!!

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 912 - 04/07/2019 13:20:07    2205422

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Replying To Royal.Legend:  "If you can't dream it you'll never achieve it, if mayo had more belief in themvselfs rather then self pity then I'm sure they would of won some of them all Ireland's they left behind in recent years."
That's me told! It's amazing how themes like these just get repeated without thinking at all, like a parrot! No thought, just mindless repetition.

It's also amazing how many lads on here when they don't like what someone has posted or disagree, just look at the county the person who made the comment is from and think of some cheap put down about that county, despite it having nothing whatsoever to do with the comment.

Now believe it or not, I wasn't having a go at Meath. I was pointing out how absolutely mindless belief that your team (regardless of the team you support) WILL win every game they play, not that they can or are capable but WILL, with absolutely no rational basis to base that on, is ridiculous. Would you agree with that or would you subscribe to the royaldunne school of blind optimism? Do you think Meath WILL win Sam this year?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 04/07/2019 13:43:40    2205437

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Replying To the_walls:  "By that logic I assume that you think Meath are going to win every game they play this and come September will be All Ireland Champions. Fair assumption?"
Yes of course. Why the hell wouldn't I? Will it happen?? Probably not. But by Jesus I will go to every game thinking we will win. No point otherwise

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/07/2019 13:47:28    2205440

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Replying To marooney:  "Those sneaky Meath hoors... roll over against Dublin so they then get handy odds from Paddy P! And all over the county they lump the money on them before they clobber Clare."
Don't the bookies odds reflect where the money is actually going?

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 04/07/2019 13:55:39    2205444

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Yes of course. Why the hell wouldn't I? Will it happen?? Probably not. But by Jesus I will go to every game thinking we will win. No point otherwise"
You do realise you have completely contradicted yourself right? You've just confirmed that Meath WILL win Sam. Not that they have a chance or they could but that they WILL. In the next breath you then say it probably won't happen. You do see how that doesn't make any sense right?

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 04/07/2019 14:09:31    2205451

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Replying To the_walls:  "You do realise you have completely contradicted yourself right? You've just confirmed that Meath WILL win Sam. Not that they have a chance or they could but that they WILL. In the next breath you then say it probably won't happen. You do see how that doesn't make any sense right?"
I will go to every game believing they will win. That clear enough? Also I except that it might not happen, but if you do not go into a game believing you going to win. You beat beforehand.
Perhaps that is why mayo haven't won since 51, I don't know. But every supporter should go to a game to cheer on a victory, since 1975 I've missed about 3 championship games, about 5 league ones and a few obc. I have yet to go to a game thinking we will get beat.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/07/2019 14:55:03    2205476

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I will go to every game believing they will win. That clear enough? Also I except that it might not happen, but if you do not go into a game believing you going to win. You beat beforehand.
Perhaps that is why mayo haven't won since 51, I don't know. But every supporter should go to a game to cheer on a victory, since 1975 I've missed about 3 championship games, about 5 league ones and a few obc. I have yet to go to a game thinking we will get beat."
The usual pathetic put down towards the county of the poster that you somehow thinks reinforces your point.

If you believe something will happen, not that it could happen or even that there is a very high probability that it could happen, but that it WILL happen, then it makes absolute sense to also expect that it might not happen. If you are locked into an absolute position then you logically cannot also expect the opposite to happen.

Of course every supporter should go to a game to cheer their team on to victory. There isn't a single person here who will disagree with that. Of course we all see through rose tinted glassed when it comes to our own teams, however most people have some realistic view of their own team. If you try to look at a game objectively and based on what you have weighed up, you think it more likely that the opposition will win, that does not make you less of a supporter as long as you hope you are totally wrong and are roaring and shouting your team on in the stands. For example say Wicklow play Dublin next year. It would be absolutely ridiculous if there was a Wicklow fella going around telling all and sundry not just that Wicklow have a chance, but that they are definitely going to win. That's not support of your team, it's just pure and utter delusion!

the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 04/07/2019 15:31:24    2205487

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Losing leinster finalist have only won the next game 4 times since it began in 2001. Terrible record.

2001 Dublin v Sligo
2005 Laois v Derry
2008 Wexford V Down
2009 Kidare v Wicklow"
That's a shocking record in fairness.

This is our 4th go at losing a Leinster final and winning the next game.

In 2012 we should have had a good chance against Laois but they were better than their 3 point win suggested.

In 2013 we came up against a decent Tyrone side and might have beaten them only for the brilliant Sean Cavanagh.

In 2014 we were very poor against Armagh, never looked like winning but we were becoming a shambles at that stage. Our multipe collapses throughout 2015 & 2016 proved that.

In 2019 v Clare well who knows, I'm hopeful of a result but not expectant

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 04/07/2019 16:35:59    2205512

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Replying To the_walls:  "The usual pathetic put down towards the county of the poster that you somehow thinks reinforces your point.

If you believe something will happen, not that it could happen or even that there is a very high probability that it could happen, but that it WILL happen, then it makes absolute sense to also expect that it might not happen. If you are locked into an absolute position then you logically cannot also expect the opposite to happen.

Of course every supporter should go to a game to cheer their team on to victory. There isn't a single person here who will disagree with that. Of course we all see through rose tinted glassed when it comes to our own teams, however most people have some realistic view of their own team. If you try to look at a game objectively and based on what you have weighed up, you think it more likely that the opposition will win, that does not make you less of a supporter as long as you hope you are totally wrong and are roaring and shouting your team on in the stands. For example say Wicklow play Dublin next year. It would be absolutely ridiculous if there was a Wicklow fella going around telling all and sundry not just that Wicklow have a chance, but that they are definitely going to win. That's not support of your team, it's just pure and utter delusion!"
It's not a put down. It's a genuine point.
I'll be honest I don't come across many people who go to matches expecting to be beat. What's the point?? Apprehensive maybe , but not expecting to win ? I find that bizarre. My point is that on many occasions Mayo let victory slip through their hands. And maybe it's a mayo thing, I mean while I or someone else might not think mayo would have a chance coming up against dubs this year, I would be shocked if you thought the same. My apologies if you thought it was a put down (that this time was not my intention). Anyway I'll leave it at that.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/07/2019 17:02:16    2205533

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Replying To Htaem:  "That's a shocking record in fairness.

This is our 4th go at losing a Leinster final and winning the next game.

In 2012 we should have had a good chance against Laois but they were better than their 3 point win suggested.

In 2013 we came up against a decent Tyrone side and might have beaten them only for the brilliant Sean Cavanagh.

In 2014 we were very poor against Armagh, never looked like winning but we were becoming a shambles at that stage. Our multipe collapses throughout 2015 & 2016 proved that.

In 2019 v Clare well who knows, I'm hopeful of a result but not expectant"
Have faith. I'd say if Andy sticks with nearly the same forwards this time they will be gunning for revenge, I see plenty of people judging Meath on 8 players who didn't bring their shooting game in one match. While totally ignoring the other 10 games we played this year. Where we racked up some very impressive scores including against Clare. One game away from what many thought at beginning of year was unthinkable in achieving all the goals set out.
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/07/2019 17:07:05    2205535

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Replying To Wally:  "God forbid someone actually thinks they can challenge the Dubs!

Meath really are becoming pathetic.

Over the past couple of years we have beaten Dublin in the league and got closer to them in championship football than any other county bar Mayo.

I suppose we should all take Meaths approach and accept our hammering before it even happens.

4 points in over 70 min of football!!"
Not saying no one can challenge the dubs. Just saying it isn't Tyrone.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/07/2019 18:14:20    2205559

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Not sure how this game will go but it is an incredible opportunity to reach the Super 8s for both teams. I have seen both teams live this year in the league against Donegal and was impressed with both. But for the result against Dublin I would favour Meath, that defeat could have an adverse effect. Clare have had some good results in the qualifiers and have the brilliant Gary Brennan at midfield. Toss of a coin for me but I'll go with Meath by a narrow margin.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 04/07/2019 18:25:37    2205563

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Meath couldn't have got a better draw so nothing to fall back on now ..
Win and its a good season,
however
if they blow up again in this game then questions will be asked,
confidence will be shot for Div 1 in 2020

A hesitant vote for meath .

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 04/07/2019 19:31:37    2205588

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Replying To bobkarlgees:  "Losing leinster finalist have only won the next game 4 times since it began in 2001. Terrible record.

2001 Dublin v Sligo
2005 Laois v Derry
2008 Wexford V Down
2009 Kidare v Wicklow"
I would guess most years the beaten Leinster finalists had to play the following weekend?, having 2 weeks this year should make a big difference.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1338 - 04/07/2019 19:37:41    2205591

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