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Cavan Vs Tyrone

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Replying To Htaem:  "Atrocious stuff to watch in fairness, I gave up after 20mins and stuck on the Federer game, good performance v Pouille."
Of course this means that...
1 You weren't at the game nor any other game at that time
2 You were watching it on pay SKY TV on your sofa
3 You then decided to watch the Tennis from London

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 06/07/2019 23:58:28    2206687

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "I regard myself as being privileged to have been at the 2008 All Ireland final. In the minor game i marvelled at the sheer class of Kyle Coney and in the Senior game Brian Dooher kicked a point from out on the sideline on the run that i regard as one of the best scores i have ever seen.

Tyrone have produced footballers of the highest quality on a regular basis and as a Gaa fan I appreciate them all.

However despite that, I and many others would identify Tyrone as having dragged football into the gutter from the early 2000's.
Despite having some wonderful footballers, they implementated a style of football which was so anti enjoyment and the worst example of a 'win at all cost' mentality that i have ever seen across any sport.

So before any Tyrone supporter comes on here spouting about any other county, they should take a long look in the mirror and reflect on the damage their own county have inflicted on the sport I and many others love.

As for todays game I thought that it was the one draw that Cavan did not want after their Ulster Final defeat and it proved to be the case. Tyrone were just too good for them all over the field.

Tyrone should qualify from their Super 8 group and reach a semi final and progression after that depends on the draw."
Agree with a lot of what you say.

That dooher point is the best I've ever seen given all the circumstances, pressure, difficulty, etc.

But the modern tyrone are a horrible version of the 03, 05 and 08 teams. Diving and simulation is more prevalent than I've seen with any GAA team before .

As a famous man once said "how could you go for a pint with those boys"

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 07/07/2019 00:21:30    2206708

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The black card for Peter Harte was a disgrace. At least 4 Cavan players should have been black carded. The ball fell between Harte and a Cavan player. Harte went for the ball and collided with Cavan player. A free kick yes but how did that challenge equate with a black card offence ...Tyrone have strong grounds for appealing this diabolical decision.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 07/07/2019 00:48:44    2206718

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Replying To thegadfly:  "Oh yeah, get that in there so if we do lose you can come back on here and say that I told you so bla bla bla. We're playing Tyrone. Get over it. How about a bit of positivity. I'll be behind the boys 100% and I expect us to beat them."
Well ? How did that go ?

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 07/07/2019 01:00:39    2206722

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "I regard myself as being privileged to have been at the 2008 All Ireland final. In the minor game i marvelled at the sheer class of Kyle Coney and in the Senior game Brian Dooher kicked a point from out on the sideline on the run that i regard as one of the best scores i have ever seen.

Tyrone have produced footballers of the highest quality on a regular basis and as a Gaa fan I appreciate them all.

However despite that, I and many others would identify Tyrone as having dragged football into the gutter from the early 2000's.
Despite having some wonderful footballers, they implementated a style of football which was so anti enjoyment and the worst example of a 'win at all cost' mentality that i have ever seen across any sport.

So before any Tyrone supporter comes on here spouting about any other county, they should take a long look in the mirror and reflect on the damage their own county have inflicted on the sport I and many others love.

As for todays game I thought that it was the one draw that Cavan did not want after their Ulster Final defeat and it proved to be the case. Tyrone were just too good for them all over the field.

Tyrone should qualify from their Super 8 group and reach a semi final and progression after that depends on the draw."
No matter about Tyrone teams I don't recall Tyrone teams kicking teams off the park, leaving opposing teams with blood stained jersey's, hitting so hard teams were dead on their feet with 10 minutes to go so winning teams were credited with great comebacks. It's ironic since "gym" culture came into the GAA certain traditional counties have struggled to have any relevance. I wonder is the reason teams are now able to stand up to the type of tactics employed previously not allowing themselves to be kicked off the park. And is it the reason teams like Tyrone who always produced classy players have started to shine.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 07/07/2019 07:34:52    2206763

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Replying To tyroneed:  "Feel for Cavan today. I do think we need a new championship structure to cater for all counties, not just who ever reaches the Super 8.

As for the strange Meath Tyrone slagging here... we're not even in the same group. I for one hope Meath reach the Super 8s."
And I didn't start it,
I'm loosing my touch:).
Well done on the win today.
Might even meet later on (long shot)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/07/2019 07:58:05    2206769

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Replying To ROYALOPTIMIST:  "I regard myself as being privileged to have been at the 2008 All Ireland final. In the minor game i marvelled at the sheer class of Kyle Coney and in the Senior game Brian Dooher kicked a point from out on the sideline on the run that i regard as one of the best scores i have ever seen.

Tyrone have produced footballers of the highest quality on a regular basis and as a Gaa fan I appreciate them all.

However despite that, I and many others would identify Tyrone as having dragged football into the gutter from the early 2000's.
Despite having some wonderful footballers, they implementated a style of football which was so anti enjoyment and the worst example of a 'win at all cost' mentality that i have ever seen across any sport.

So before any Tyrone supporter comes on here spouting about any other county, they should take a long look in the mirror and reflect on the damage their own county have inflicted on the sport I and many others love.

As for todays game I thought that it was the one draw that Cavan did not want after their Ulster Final defeat and it proved to be the case. Tyrone were just too good for them all over the field.

Tyrone should qualify from their Super 8 group and reach a semi final and progression after that depends on the draw."
ROYALOPTIMIST I like your style give Tyrone a compliment then get a good dig in about Tyrone. Just be honest the real problem people like you have with Tyrone is the fact that Counties like Meath had to sit and watch Tyrone winning All Ireland titles. It was ok when we where the plucky wee team form the north going down to get kicked around the pitch but when we added a bit of steel to out skill set and started winning people like you just could'nt and cant take it. Tir'Eoghain Abu'.

TyroneUltra (Tyrone) - Posts: 307 - 07/07/2019 08:50:59    2206780

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Replying To blueskies:  "one of our darkest days..
I say donegal and tyrone lick their lips seeing them blue jerseys. It just proves my point mickey is a great organiser, a players manager, they will all die for him. In terms of tactical nous he is nowhere near Malachy o Rourke or Mickey Harte. If we want to take things to the next level go all out and get malachy or else the alternative , settle for mediocrity. (as usual)"
How can you honestly say the players will die for him?....they have threw in towel in first 15 mins v Donegal and Tyrone.. .if I was a Cavan player I'd be embarrassed at them showings...they were a div 1 team...show a bit of pride...they were pathetic and embarrassment to the jersey...i have attended a lot of Ulster finals and have to say they are the worst team I've seen there...at least fermanagh brought a game plan and bit of fight....at they have one of the most overrated managers of all time managing them...the same man that cost Donegal 7 out of last 9 Ulster titles...it was always said that if Donegal matched Tyrone on the line they would beat them as they simply have better and more natural footballers...rochfords tactical know how and mcguinness have proved this over last decade

marty234 (Donegal) - Posts: 158 - 07/07/2019 09:28:02    2206789

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Replying To marty234:  "How can you honestly say the players will die for him?....they have threw in towel in first 15 mins v Donegal and Tyrone.. .if I was a Cavan player I'd be embarrassed at them showings...they were a div 1 team...show a bit of pride...they were pathetic and embarrassment to the jersey...i have attended a lot of Ulster finals and have to say they are the worst team I've seen there...at least fermanagh brought a game plan and bit of fight....at they have one of the most overrated managers of all time managing them...the same man that cost Donegal 7 out of last 9 Ulster titles...it was always said that if Donegal matched Tyrone on the line they would beat them as they simply have better and more natural footballers...rochfords tactical know how and mcguinness have proved this over last decade"
Monaghan beat Tyrone in Ulster last year, then lost when mattered most. I wouldn't be shouting too loudly yet about Donegal being better than Tyrone. You can't ignore the fact that Tyrone now aim to perform in July and August and are less concerned with may and June. We may well get a meeting later in the year which will test your theory about Donegal being better much more.

A Another (None) - Posts: 192 - 07/07/2019 10:12:47    2206816

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Tyrone doing what Tyrone do.

They looked really good yesterday & must wish they had played like this against Donegal.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 07/07/2019 10:14:24    2206818

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Replying To royaldunne:  "And I didn't start it,
I'm loosing my touch:).
Well done on the win today.
Might even meet later on (long shot)"
May up the game royaldunne, you're going soft :-)

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 07/07/2019 10:17:20    2206822

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Replying To tyroneed:  "Of course this means that...
1 You weren't at the game nor any other game at that time
2 You were watching it on pay SKY TV on your sofa
3 You then decided to watch the Tennis from London"
That's pretty much spot on.

No offense to Tyrone or Cavan, but I do genuinely enjoy the tennis, especially when Federer is playing cause we won't have him for much longer.

But well done on getting through to the super 8s, I don't think the draw has been too bad to Tyrone. Roscommon away will be tricky but it's better than having to make the long journey down to Cork and if you have to play the Dubs the best place to do it is at home (and presumably they'll have already qualified by then).

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 07/07/2019 10:23:04    2206826

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Having reflected on that miserable effort, I have come to the conclusion that our lads simply didn't want to be there. They decided to end their year once the round 4 draw was made. In a way I can understand to some extent, we had been beaten comprehensively in a provincial final only to draw one of the top teams in the qualifier.

We played some great stuff to get over Monaghan and Armagh, a division one and a division two team, so there's no way we're as bad as yesterday's showing. Quite simply, the lads threw in the towel last Monday morning at half 8.

It's a disappointing way to end the year, and tbh I would like an acknowledgement from a player or member of the management team to say that performance simply wasn't good enough. It cost 25 euro to watch that.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 07/07/2019 11:31:25    2206877

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Not a surprising result in all fairness, and not getting carried away with Tyrones performance either.,

Interesting to see how tyrone cope when they come up against teams as well conditioned as themselves .
Will the have the discipline ?

BeJasus (UK) - Posts: 383 - 07/07/2019 11:34:32    2206878

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Replying To Game2Halves:  "I guess if ye can't beat them at the gaa then last resort is to call them Brits . Yeah Brits we are and still we are giving you free staters lessons in Gaelic football . Longford destroyed, Kildare annihilated and Cavan spanked from one end of field to the other. You think you republicans could play your own sport better.. each day is same , knock ten bells out of the southern counties , home in time for the parade . Life is great"
Except your not Brits.

Britain is a geographical area, Ireland is not a part of it. A part of Ireland is a part of the UK. Not a part of Britain.

Anyway, back to the football.

We didn't give you lads any sort of contest, and I am embarrassed about that.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 07/07/2019 11:42:58    2206887

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Why does every Tyrone match thread seem to end up being a Meath and Tyrone slagging match?

And someone was accusing Tyrone of sledging in this match? It was pretty obvious that Cavan themselves were trying to 'lay down a marker' at the start. Every time Peter Harte was in frame whoever was beside him at that time was giving him a push, every time.

God forbid we have a decent conversation about the match, besides tired old well worn paths again, again and again.

I think Tyrone were really bad against Donegal which wasn't a proper reflection. We are motoring well and have totally controlled the last two matches against two (in fairness) decent teams. Dare I say, Tyrone could possibly be in with a shout of the big one.

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 07/07/2019 11:52:19    2206896

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "Having reflected on that miserable effort, I have come to the conclusion that our lads simply didn't want to be there. They decided to end their year once the round 4 draw was made. In a way I can understand to some extent, we had been beaten comprehensively in a provincial final only to draw one of the top teams in the qualifier.

We played some great stuff to get over Monaghan and Armagh, a division one and a division two team, so there's no way we're as bad as yesterday's showing. Quite simply, the lads threw in the towel last Monday morning at half 8.

It's a disappointing way to end the year, and tbh I would like an acknowledgement from a player or member of the management team to say that performance simply wasn't good enough. It cost 25 euro to watch that."
It was always going to be difficult for Cavan to lift themselves after the ulster final defeat as reflected by the record of beaten provincial finalists in the qualifiers. However I would have expected a bit more fight from them, they just gave up.

Do you think there is a mental fragility with this team? Cavan have some fantastic players, as good as any county. McKiernon, Mackey, McVeety, Moynagh, Killian Clarke and Faulkner are fantastic footballers. This leads me to the conclusion that its all in the head. I really hope this isn't a major setback for Cavan as I have really enjoyed watching them this year and think they have terrific potential.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 07/07/2019 12:42:24    2206930

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Replying To TyroneUltra:  "ROYALOPTIMIST I like your style give Tyrone a compliment then get a good dig in about Tyrone. Just be honest the real problem people like you have with Tyrone is the fact that Counties like Meath had to sit and watch Tyrone winning All Ireland titles. It was ok when we where the plucky wee team form the north going down to get kicked around the pitch but when we added a bit of steel to out skill set and started winning people like you just could'nt and cant take it. Tir'Eoghain Abu'."
No, to be fair I'm from Meath and obviously support them, but I go to a lot of games not involving them and in 2008 I found myself cheering Tyrone on against Kerry and was delighted when they won.

So I have no chip on either shoulder.

I understand the predictament Tyrone found themselves in and i suppose it came to a head in 96, when they realised that they would have to do something different if they wanted to win an All Ireland and that all the whinging following the semi final beating could not hide their embarrassment at being beaten by a young team most of whom where in their first year of championship action.

My only problem with Tyrone was the direction they took then, which really took football to a new low and which it is struggling to revover from.

Anyway best of luck to Tyrone and i think we should see some interesting games in their super 8 group.

Championship starts here

ROYALOPTIMIST (Meath) - Posts: 179 - 07/07/2019 12:56:34    2206940

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Replying To HokeyPokey:  "Why does every Tyrone match thread seem to end up being a Meath and Tyrone slagging match?

And someone was accusing Tyrone of sledging in this match? It was pretty obvious that Cavan themselves were trying to 'lay down a marker' at the start. Every time Peter Harte was in frame whoever was beside him at that time was giving him a push, every time.

God forbid we have a decent conversation about the match, besides tired old well worn paths again, again and again.

I think Tyrone were really bad against Donegal which wasn't a proper reflection. We are motoring well and have totally controlled the last two matches against two (in fairness) decent teams. Dare I say, Tyrone could possibly be in with a shout of the big one."
Yeah, the Donegal match was possibly just a bad day at the office and it has also 1given Tyrone a chance to tweak their tactics a bit more, get a better balance between attack and defence.

Donegal and Dublin may play good attacking football but they still get sweepers back to protect the defence.

Like everyone at half time was saying Meath did the right thing not playing a sweeper but no one commented on the fact that Dublin were playing a sweeper. In fact sometimes they had two sweepers. The reality was Meath were incredibly naive. And if Dublin and Donegal get turned over in possession they regularly foul the opposition in order to let their sweepers get back in position.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 07/07/2019 13:26:34    2206963

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "It was always going to be difficult for Cavan to lift themselves after the ulster final defeat as reflected by the record of beaten provincial finalists in the qualifiers. However I would have expected a bit more fight from them, they just gave up.

Do you think there is a mental fragility with this team? Cavan have some fantastic players, as good as any county. McKiernon, Mackey, McVeety, Moynagh, Killian Clarke and Faulkner are fantastic footballers. This leads me to the conclusion that its all in the head. I really hope this isn't a major setback for Cavan as I have really enjoyed watching them this year and think they have terrific potential."
Oh absolutely, we have major mental problems in Cavan. When we face the likes of Tyrone or Donegal, we're almost beaten before a ball is kicked. Quite simply when we're expected to lose, we lose. The exception to that was this year when we beat Monaghan, but rarely have I ever seen Cavan win a game they weren't expected to, in fact Mayo in the league in 2017 was the only other occasion I can think of in the past few years when we won a game we didn't expect to.

I mean, we're a county that has a single provincial title in 50 years, it's almost impossible to break that losing mentality, we've just become so used to rolling over for the Tyrones and Donegals of this world at this stage.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 07/07/2019 13:36:22    2206973

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