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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "I am going to get slated, disowned and ridiculed for this, but....sometimes you gotta be honest and say what you see. Re funding I don't know enough to make an educated comment but, on the face of it, it DOES seem unfair
Playing all our home games in Croker absolutely is wrong and playing purchase neutral game in super 8s in Croker plus our home game IS wrong. We do get special benefits, we do have unfair advantageso and hand on heart, our current dominance IS compromised. I tool this view in recent years hence my lack of involvement on HS in recent years
Breaks my heart to admit that" Liam I think most of your fellow Dubs know that Dublin have things that bit easier than everyone else in a couple of different ways. There are really only a few digging their heels in. How many times do we hear the 'nobody was complaining when we weren't winning' defence. That in itself is an admission of the imbalance.
That said, this Dublin team are phenomenal and would have won titles regardless. There is no reason not to enjoy their success.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 29/06/2019 12:12:45
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Replying To Htaem: "Fairplay Liam, I don't think you should be slated for a balanced, honest and objective opinion.
Again I've made very few if any comments over the years regarding funding, infact I was quite dismissive of it, but when I saw the figures recently they did jump out as lopsided.
Having said that, money cannot buy the talent Dublin currently has, it can nurture it but not create it. The Dubs should be very proud of this team, they genuinely are a joy to watch.
Anyway I've always tended to focus more though on what other counties can do to help themselves, make the most of what they have. In Meath we only got our underage structures in order maybe 5-6 years ago (over a decade later than a lot of other counties) and we're still in the process of fixing our county championship structure which was changed for the worse 16 years ago!
Extra funding might have helped us a bit but the reason Meath have slipped away is not Dublin, it's us, simple as that.
Finally again in defense of Dublin, it's not as if they swooped in and stole the money, Croke Park allocates the funds so this is an issue for them to address." Your right, Dublin have advantages but taking Dublin out of it for a minute that does not explain why we are off the pace over many years compared to other teams like Mayo or Donegal. Small population counties like Monaghan and Roscommon have out performed us in recent years. If we could somehow manage to stay in Div 1 next year I think we could become a much better team.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 29/06/2019 12:16:34
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Replying To bdbuddah: "Your right, Dublin have advantages but taking Dublin out of it for a minute that does not explain why we are off the pace over many years compared to other teams like Mayo or Donegal. Small population counties like Monaghan and Roscommon have out performed us in recent years. If we could somehow manage to stay in Div 1 next year I think we could become a much better team." Only time will bdbuddah, I could be setting myself up for a fall but I think we've finally gotten to a stage where we're doing more right than wrong, which is good. Obviously there's a lot more to do and we have to be mindful not to get lax and slip into a rut.
I think we have a good manager, I think our underage has improved greatly over the last couple of years, next year we will have a new championship structure which will hopefully improve competitiveness and we have some handy players in the county aswell.
It's going to take a few more years but staying in Division 1 next year, while very tough, would be a huge help but it's doable if we stay on an upward curve, however if we mess up in any way then it's back to where we were.
Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 29/06/2019 12:31:30
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Replying To baire: "That's too simple and inaccurate. Dublin have a wonderful panel of players and it's usually the freshness off the bench in the last 10-15 minutes that brings them over the line." I think 2 rule changes brought in have inadvertently aided Dublin. The kicking tee was brought in for kickouts for over the top health and safety grounds (this led to kick out strategies which suited teams which were prepared in a more professional manner) and especially allowing 6 subs. I would like to see us going back to 3 subs and no kicking tee. In local club championship matches the 6 sub rule benefits big clubs over small clubs too.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1347 - 29/06/2019 12:32:38
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Ah well, here we go again - the old chestnut of Dublin's finances. Jealousy and begrudgery is alive and well throughout the GAA. The structure of the Leinster GAA administration is made up by the elected delegates from the 12 counties of the province. If the other eleven counties wish to change the financial structure then they vote accordingly at Leinster Council Congress (AGM), but this will never happen - why? because the majority believe the status quo is fine. The various counties can shout and roar all they like but until the delegates from the counties are instructed by their county boards to act in a particular manner then nothing will change. The path to change must come from the bottom up - actually starting at club level. Likewise the GAA Central Council operates on the same basis so nothing will change there either. The power to change the level of finance dispersed to any county lies with the various representatives from the various counties and provinces. Those are the people who have decided to give the All-Ireland, League and Provincial winners the present level of monies based on their success. Dublin County Board are only a small part of this process. There are 31 other counties plus UK and USA Associations with the lion's share of the say. Population is something that is thrown up as an advantage to Dublin - Meath, Kildare, Louth and Wicklow have huge populations but they still can't procure 15/20 players to give Dublin a game in the Leinster Championship. Money may very will be a major issue, but it depends on how the money is spent. It was interesting to note that in an RTE Text article recently the writer suggested that even if the other counties received massive financial support would they still be the poor relations in the football sense. Dublin have spent their money wisely, investing in underage structures, coaching and facilities with proper qualified coaches appointed at various levels both in football and hurling. Dublin had long periods in the wilderness particularly in the 80's, 90's and Noughties - they went 16 years without an All-Ireland success until 2011. During that time there was plenty of money around, plenty of great players and great managers but until they put a plan in place no success was forthcoming. The plan worked, it brought success, more players, more money - so what - you reap what you sow!!! The opportunity is there for every county to get up of their arses and work, work, work for success. To win trophies in any sport nowadays there has to be an unbelievable commitment, in fact at times it takes a complete change of lifestyle by those involved. That is what Dublin have done for the past 8-9 years and it has paid off.
It's up to the other counties to get their act together. Mayo, Tyrone, Donegal, Galway, the ever present Kerry and possibly Roscommon and Armagh are heading in the right direction. The rest have a lot to learn. Croke Park as a venue is another kernel of controversy. There has to be a National/Headquarters Stadium somewhere so no matter where it is, it will be construed by some as an advantage to the county in which it is located. If it was in Leitrim would it be an advantage to Leitrim football - possibly but I doubt it. Commercially it would be great for Carrick-on-Shannon. So geography plays its part - therefore it's not Dublin's fault that the main GAA stadium is located in their back yard, also the fact that huge crowds go there for Dubs games, notwithstanding this years low numbers but with the calibre of other counties playing there, what do you expect. The idea of moving Dublin out of Croke Park was resoundly defeated by DELEGATES at the GAA Congress this year. Some years back Leinster delegates voted 10 to 1 to keep Dublin in Croke Park - that's democracy. The vast majority of players at all grades always have a wish to play in Croke Park. Why deny them? Dublin could play in any part of Ireland and could possibly win the vast majority of their matches. As regards splitting Dublin in two - I figure the All -Ireland Final would be between the 'Two Dublins' - what then. To those who have a problem with the Dublin set up at the moment I would ask them to look at the bigger picture and consider what they can do to change the situation. Constantly giving out about Dublin is not going to change anything in the slightest. How about other counties getting their houses in order for a start.
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Replying To ballydalane: "Bottom line; there's 15 Dublinmen that the rest of the country haven't been able to beat in the last last 5 years.
Kerry can't put out 15 men to beat them.
Mayo can't put out 15 men to beat them.
Tyrone can't put out 15 men to beat them.
Donegal can't put out 15 men to beat them.
Meath can't put out 15 men to beat them.
Kildare can't put out 15 men to beat them.
Blame " funding" all you want for your own shortcomings." In all fairness ballydalane there are plenty of folk outside Dublin who would agree with you 100%. Tis no bother either though hearing from those who cannot do it at the minute and that's always been the way. Complaining out a frustration I'd say is a fair bit of it and I remember Kilkenny getting plenty of stick when they were in their pomp.
If your winning there's plenty of people won't like it one bit and it matters not a jot which county, colour or creed you are they'll find something to grab a hold of.
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "That's just it. My uneasiness is not to do with funding, I don't know enough to have a strong opinion on that. My uneasiness is all to do with the obvious advantages of all games in Croker and 2 home games in super 8s. It's just simply not fair and it doesn't sit well with me" I'd be on board with Croker, it's Dublins home ground and an advantage, equally the 2 S8 games, two should be elsewhere.
Advantage by GDF, no. For many of the reasons ive posted here in numerous threads and still haven't seen an argument by anyone really to make me move from that position. I've also looking into with an open mind and doing a fair bit of research on it. Their is a fair bit of comfort blanket stuff about it, from counties who have fallen short, the make up of areas of those posting predominantly in this thread tell you that. I'm not sure it's helpful for many counties to believe that GDF is significant, but each to their own house look.
But I'm cool with the narrative particularly at the moment, it's serves a purpose on a number of levels.
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "I am going to get slated, disowned and ridiculed for this, but....sometimes you gotta be honest and say what you see. Re funding I don't know enough to make an educated comment but, on the face of it, it DOES seem unfair
Playing all our home games in Croker absolutely is wrong and playing purchase neutral game in super 8s in Croker plus our home game IS wrong. We do get special benefits, we do have unfair advantageso and hand on heart, our current dominance IS compromised. I tool this view in recent years hence my lack of involvement on HS in recent years
Breaks my heart to admit that" I agree
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Replying To Liamwalkinstown: "I am going to get slated, disowned and ridiculed for this, but....sometimes you gotta be honest and say what you see. Re funding I don't know enough to make an educated comment but, on the face of it, it DOES seem unfair
Playing all our home games in Croker absolutely is wrong and playing purchase neutral game in super 8s in Croker plus our home game IS wrong. We do get special benefits, we do have unfair advantageso and hand on heart, our current dominance IS compromised. I tool this view in recent years hence my lack of involvement on HS in recent years
Breaks my heart to admit that" Well said Liam , we do have unfair advantages no doubt about it , money , home games , super 8s 2 home games how ridiculous and unfair is that ? the population thing was always there , the talk of splitting Dublin in 2 or 4 , I cant and never will agree with .
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 29/06/2019 16:00:56
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I think the two S8 games is wrong. Another away game was very doable and would have created a great spectacle.
Bad bloody call. Not the Dublin panels doing.
I think we should play all Leinster games up to semifinal stage or even final outside of Croke Park
(Although would it have made a huge difference IMO we'd have still won the same amount of titles this decade)
Unfortunately it was all voted in by a large majority to make sure that happens. Nothing to do with Dublin panel.
I think Dublin's panel under Jim Gavin is the greatest advantage of all. The evidence is clearly there to back that up.
The 6 sub rule has won Dublin many games against top opposition. The quality we can bring on and utilize at the right time has won those games. Absolutely the Dublin panels doing.
I do believe though Liam that you are without question being well OTT.
Have you not seen the games this decade?
Have you forgotten about how truly competitive it's been? The titanic battles seen time and time again in order for Dublin to win?
All our major loses have come in Croke Park this decade. We have drawn games there, we have won numerous titles by a single score there.
How can you utterly dismiss the truly competitive nature of those games? It took huge endeavor. That is undeniable. Yet that's exactly what you're putting across.
You deserve to be brought up on it!
You do indeed deserve to be somewhat questioned as to have such a narrow skew on it is completely unjustified.
We both have stood in Croke Park and watched Dublin lose on many occasions. We were beaten by the better team in Croke Park over and over with all the natural advantages having that brick and mortar in our county bestows.
When a team has been better than us we've lost. We were even hammered.
Despite playing more games there than those same teams.. we were beaten by the BETTER team. There was no talk of the Croke Park advantage. In fact it was used as a stick to best us with.
"We stuffed you in your own back yard"
You've a poor memory Liam.
So what's the difference? The difference is that we're much better than we were. The quality of panel is better. We had men like Pat Gilroy, Micky Whelan and Jim Gavin guiding the team.
To take such a narrow skewed look at it is utterly dismissing the ultimate commitment it's taken to win some of the most competitive games ever witnessed in Croke Park over several decades.
Meath/Tyrone/Cork 2010
Tyrone/Donegal/Kerry 2011
Mayo 2012
Kerry/Mayo 2013
Donegal 2014
Mayo/Mayo/Kerry 2015
Kerry/Mayo/Mayo 2016
Mayo 2017
Dublin could have and should have lost many of those games but opportunities were spurned and Dublin's quality won out and there's been a bit of luck in the mix too.
If we lost those games would Croke Park been brought up as an advantage to the Dubs?
Not on your life.
You know well the level of bile and spit that would have been directed at us.
Once again it would have been used as a stick to beat us with and the fact that you've gone down your current way of thinking is utterly questionable and yes.. you poxy well deserve to be slated .
Your own take on it is very shallow indeed and in very poor judgement by someone that should know better.
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I think the two S8 games is wrong. Another away game was very doable and would have created a great spectacle.
Bad bloody call. Not the Dublin panels doing.
I think we should play all Leinster games up to semifinal stage or even final outside of Croke Park
(Although would it have made a huge difference IMO we'd have still won the same amount of titles this decade)
Unfortunately it was all voted in by a large majority to make sure that happens. Nothing to do with Dublin panel.
I think Dublin's panel under Jim Gavin is the greatest advantage of all. The evidence is clearly there to back that up.
The 6 sub rule has won Dublin many games against top opposition. The quality we can bring on and utilize at the right time has won those games. Absolutely the Dublin panels doing.
I do believe though Liam that you are without question being well OTT.
Have you not seen the games this decade?
Have you forgotten about how truly competitive it's been? The titanic battles seen time and time again in order for Dublin to win?
All our major loses have come in Croke Park this decade. We have drawn games there, we have won numerous titles by a single score there.
How can you utterly dismiss the truly competitive nature of those games? It took huge endeavor. That is undeniable. Yet that's exactly what you're putting across.
You deserve to be brought up on it!
You do indeed deserve to be somewhat questioned as to have such a narrow skew on it is completely unjustified.
We both have stood in Croke Park and watched Dublin lose on many occasions. We were beaten by the better team in Croke Park over and over with all the natural advantages having that brick and mortar in our county bestows.
When a team has been better than us we've lost. We were even hammered.
Despite playing more games there than those same teams.. we were beaten by the BETTER team. There was no talk of the Croke Park advantage. In fact it was used as a stick to best us with.
"We stuffed you in your own back yard"
You've a poor memory Liam.
So what's the difference? The difference is that we're much better than we were. The quality of panel is better. We had men like Pat Gilroy, Micky Whelan and Jim Gavin guiding the team.
To take such a narrow skewed look at it is utterly dismissing the ultimate commitment it's taken to win some of the most competitive games ever witnessed in Croke Park over several decades.
Meath/Tyrone/Cork 2010
Tyrone/Donegal/Kerry 2011
Mayo 2012
Kerry/Mayo 2013
Donegal 2014
Mayo/Mayo/Kerry 2015
Kerry/Mayo/Mayo 2016
Mayo 2017
Dublin could have and should have lost many of those games but opportunities were spurned and Dublin's quality won out and there's been a bit of luck in the mix too.
If we lost those games would Croke Park been brought up as an advantage to the Dubs?
Not on your life.
You know well the level of bile and spit that would have been directed at us.
Once again it would have been used as a stick to beat us with and the fact that you've gone down your current way of thinking is utterly questionable and yes.. you poxy well deserve to be slated .
Your own take on it is very shallow indeed and in very poor judgement by someone that should know better.
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In the years between 2008 & 2018 got
Dublin 17 million for development, the next highest was Cork 1.3 million.
Of course it had no effect. No effect whatsoever
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Dublin 17 million for development, the next highest was Cork 1.3 million.
Of course it had no effect. No effect whatsoever" Really ? havnt heard that one before lol....
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 29/06/2019 17:54:42
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http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/06/28/news/dublin-funding-imbalance-needs-to-be-addressed-with-all-haste-1651354/
Of course money makes little difference to the team on the pitch. But what population and money buys you a pipeline of talent and the resources to develop it.
Friend of my better half's sends her kids to Kilmacud Crokes. They have apparently around 120 kids at U10 alone. We'd not have that many in our entire club. Lots of coaches and competitive games for the kids every evening during June. The combination of that kind of numbers and lots of coaches (some paid) will ensure quality Dubs being unearthed and developed young well into the future.
It's great to see it in one sense; and the other big change is cultural - it's now trendy for middle-class Dubs to send their kids to 'the Gah'. It's a perfect storm of positive things happening in Dublin. Struggling to see how the rest of us will compete though. The structural unfairness is reaching surreal levels.
essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 29/06/2019 19:58:21
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Replying To jimbodub: "I think the two S8 games is wrong. Another away game was very doable and would have created a great spectacle.
Bad bloody call. Not the Dublin panels doing.
I think we should play all Leinster games up to semifinal stage or even final outside of Croke Park
(Although would it have made a huge difference IMO we'd have still won the same amount of titles this decade)
Unfortunately it was all voted in by a large majority to make sure that happens. Nothing to do with Dublin panel.
I think Dublin's panel under Jim Gavin is the greatest advantage of all. The evidence is clearly there to back that up.
The 6 sub rule has won Dublin many games against top opposition. The quality we can bring on and utilize at the right time has won those games. Absolutely the Dublin panels doing.
I do believe though Liam that you are without question being well OTT.
Have you not seen the games this decade?
Have you forgotten about how truly competitive it's been? The titanic battles seen time and time again in order for Dublin to win?
All our major loses have come in Croke Park this decade. We have drawn games there, we have won numerous titles by a single score there.
How can you utterly dismiss the truly competitive nature of those games? It took huge endeavor. That is undeniable. Yet that's exactly what you're putting across.
You deserve to be brought up on it!
You do indeed deserve to be somewhat questioned as to have such a narrow skew on it is completely unjustified.
We both have stood in Croke Park and watched Dublin lose on many occasions. We were beaten by the better team in Croke Park over and over with all the natural advantages having that brick and mortar in our county bestows.
When a team has been better than us we've lost. We were even hammered.
Despite playing more games there than those same teams.. we were beaten by the BETTER team. There was no talk of the Croke Park advantage. In fact it was used as a stick to best us with.
"We stuffed you in your own back yard"
You've a poor memory Liam.
So what's the difference? The difference is that we're much better than we were. The quality of panel is better. We had men like Pat Gilroy, Micky Whelan and Jim Gavin guiding the team.
To take such a narrow skewed look at it is utterly dismissing the ultimate commitment it's taken to win some of the most competitive games ever witnessed in Croke Park over several decades.
Meath/Tyrone/Cork 2010
Tyrone/Donegal/Kerry 2011
Mayo 2012
Kerry/Mayo 2013
Donegal 2014
Mayo/Mayo/Kerry 2015
Kerry/Mayo/Mayo 2016
Mayo 2017
Dublin could have and should have lost many of those games but opportunities were spurned and Dublin's quality won out and there's been a bit of luck in the mix too.
If we lost those games would Croke Park been brought up as an advantage to the Dubs?
Not on your life.
You know well the level of bile and spit that would have been directed at us.
Once again it would have been used as a stick to beat us with and the fact that you've gone down your current way of thinking is utterly questionable and yes.. you poxy well deserve to be slated .
Your own take on it is very shallow indeed and in very poor judgement by someone that should know better." I knew this reaction was inevitable. It's why I have been slow to acknowledge or admit what I thought. I think you know my heart is blue Jim, you know me better than anyone here. So you must know how disillusioned I am to be even having this discussion. Sorry but it's how I feel buddy.
Cue cries of "liamo has been in limerick too long" etc etc
My "dubness" will be doubted etc.
I didn't say what u said lightly. You know this.
See at the end of the day, I love the Dubs, you know I do ....but I love football even more.
COYBIB
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/06/2019 21:19:32
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"All involved need to stop embarrassing themselves in denying the link between money and success. The correlation is evidenced throughout the world of sport and the GAA is no different.
Does it explain every success, or does it prevent the occasional exceptions to the rule?
Of course not, but to try to explain Dublin's current dominance as a cyclical thing due to an outstanding team or due to great efforts of volunteers is either disingenuous or pure ignorance.
Whichever, it does not reflect well and is increasingly hard for the rest to stomach.
In fairness the Strategic Review of 2002 which can be seen as the starting point of the revolution was not about making Dublin successful; instead it was focused on the decreased participation levels in the capital in the face of rapid population growth and more effective efforts from other sports.
To improve the situation, various strategies were suggested and a 'necessary' funding figure of £3.5million a year identified.
As a quick aside, that makes last year's commitment of £1million spread across 5 years to the Gaelfast project in Antrim look a tad miserly.
The strategy has worked and then some.
Yet the money train keeps going to the Capital where, despite being the one county in the country who could easily support a fully professional team such is their financial strength, they continue getting sums of money equivalent to what other whole provinces get.
In fact, unbelievably, the proportion is increasing.
In 2016 it was 14% of the overall pot, last year this had risen to 22%.
All this surely highlights the farce in the likes of Horan and Costello saying to everyone to follow the Dublin blueprint based on club activities and volunteers while on the one hand suggesting money was not behind their success and on the other hand claiming that more money is still required.
It really does beggar belief."
http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2019/06/28/news/dublin-funding-imbalance-needs-to-be-addressed-with-all-haste-1651354/
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Of course money makes little difference to the team on the pitch. But what population and money buys you a pipeline of talent and the resources to develop it.
Friend of my better half's sends her kids to Kilmacud Crokes. They have apparently around 120 kids at U10 alone. We'd not have that many in our entire club. Lots of coaches and competitive games for the kids every evening during June. The combination of that kind of numbers and lots of coaches (some paid) will ensure quality Dubs being unearthed and developed young well into the future.
It's great to see it in one sense; and the other big change is cultural - it's now trendy for middle-class Dubs to send their kids to 'the Gah'. It's a perfect storm of positive things happening in Dublin. Struggling to see how the rest of us will compete though. The structural unfairness is reaching surreal levels." You've hit the nail on the head with the middle class comment. That's crucial to Dublin's improvement. And I'm not criticising the middle and upper middle class playing GAA. People are always saying Dublin always had a higher population and that's true. What they leave put is that the numbers playing GAA in Dublin have increased dramatically during the last couple of decades. Particularly in middle class areas. Cuala is the perfect example. It's a massive club now, absolutely massive. And they're people with money. They email out to the parents the training techniques they'll be teaching to the kids in advance of each training. It's so impressive. The problem I guess is most clubs in the country could only dream of that.
I don't know what the solution is because this is a very complicated issue. Even if Dublin weren't getting the vast majority of games development funds it's still the most populated county with the wealthiest earners. It used to be working class club's like Erin's Ilse that supplied the players but there's been a cultural shift. It's very hard to see what can be done to balance the issue.
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I love the general sweeping statements.
"All involved need to stop embarrassing themselves in denying the link between money and success."
Sure anyone can say things like that or:
"All attempting to link money and success are bitter, jealous and trying to protect themselves from a harsh reality that their county is poor at football and need to stop embarrassing themselves."
I immediately switch to low brow click bait journalism when I read statement in articles like that.
GAA journalism is going through its worst ever period in my opinion, in general not just commenting on Dublin. I miss Eugene McGee in particular on a Mon.
Dublin are box office though, so comes with the territory. You can only grin.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 29/06/2019 21:50:08
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"All involved need to stop embarrassing themselves in denying the link between money and success."
Sure anyone can say things like that or:
"All attempting to link money and success are bitter, jealous and trying to protect themselves from a harsh reality that their county is poor at football and need to stop embarrassing themselves."
I immediately switch to low brow click bait journalism when I read statement in articles like that.
GAA journalism is going through its worst ever period in my opinion, in general not just commenting on Dublin. I miss Eugene McGee in particular on a Mon.
Dublin are box office though, so comes with the territory. You can only grin." One particular dose from Kildare via Brazil is using us to get famous
Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 29/06/2019 22:36:21
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