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Replying To BeJasus: "starting to sound like the Man city fans" I always laugh when I hear the comparisons to Man City. Open to correction here but I'd estimate that every member of that Dublin panel was born, raised and grew up playing their football in Dublin. It's not as if Dublin are going around buying the best players from every other county and putting them in their team.
ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 27/06/2019 22:46:20
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "Knew the culchies would be upset by this ;)
Anyway one thing I've noticed on here is the amount of kerry posters that constantly moan and try to discredit this teams achievements.
The big bad dubs are here to stay lads the GAA is finished bla bla bla... Doomsday merchants.
You can just tell they are hurting big time. They can't stand this Dublin teams success!! Wasn't a peep out of them when we were winning nothing. Sure they loved us... And why wouldn't they... Considering we are their biggest rival in GAA yet failed to beat them in championship football in 30 years. Along comes a golden generation of Dublin footballers and they haven't beaten us this decade... So of course it must be the money. Just like the excuses they rolled out when they couldn't get a win over Tyrone in the noughties, too rough that Tyrone side they said. Very sore losers that lot ;)" If your name is Connolly would say there is a fair bit of culchie in yourself.
greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 965 - 27/06/2019 23:08:03
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Replying To westkerry: "As a matter of interest why shouldn't it be invested in Tyrone hurling?
National Games development funding.
Mask is slipping." Who said it shouldn't ?
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 27/06/2019 23:09:42
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "So are dublin taking the money under duress?" Yea gun to the head :)
superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 27/06/2019 23:11:41
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "The point is that money did not create this team. We've just been blessed with what is an unbeliable team and manager that came together at the right time.
There's a desperate attempt going on here to discredit this teams achievements. End of!!!" The manager who has 2 outstanding games he'll be remembered for. .
1 is obviously when he dismantled the Tyrone blanket defence
The other is when he somehow contrived to lose to Donegal in 2014 despite having by far the better team.
Anything else, given the ridiculous advantages at his disposal, has been pretty much par for the course.
He'll leave at some point in the next 5 years and Dublin will continue to dominate.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5010 - 27/06/2019 23:21:56
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Replying To KingdomBoy1: "So are dublin taking the money under duress?" If counties outside Dublin vote to give us the dollars, we're gonna accept those dollars. We're not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 27/06/2019 23:39:10
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "Knew the culchies would be upset by this ;)
Anyway one thing I've noticed on here is the amount of kerry posters that constantly moan and try to discredit this teams achievements.
The big bad dubs are here to stay lads the GAA is finished bla bla bla... Doomsday merchants.
You can just tell they are hurting big time. They can't stand this Dublin teams success!! Wasn't a peep out of them when we were winning nothing. Sure they loved us... And why wouldn't they... Considering we are their biggest rival in GAA yet failed to beat them in championship football in 30 years. Along comes a golden generation of Dublin footballers and they haven't beaten us this decade... So of course it must be the money. Just like the excuses they rolled out when they couldn't get a win over Tyrone in the noughties, too rough that Tyrone side they said. Very sore losers that lot ;)" Kerry are in no position to discredit any other county. They reside in the most uncompetitive province of them all, a hurling region where the large ball is ignored for the most part. Their provincial titles have a serious asterisk against them as a result and the easy AIs in the 70s and 80s hold little weight. They won an AI in 1980 by playing just 3 games, one against a hurling first county. The roll of honour for the Kingdom is seriously tainted as a result.
Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 27/06/2019 23:47:41
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If you're expecting to come on here and write long posts about this topic that raises its head constantly and expect to change peoples perception or view, you're wasting your time.
There are valid points on both sides of the argument and while there are people on both sides who talk an awful lot of sense, there are also people on both sides of the argument who talk an awful lot of bollocks. The infuriating aspect of this whole debate for me is that the vast majority of people are so biased that the counter points made, even superbly balanced and well thought out points, are ignored.
Me personally l appreciate that people have their views, their own opinions, their thoughts, and as much as I may agree or disagree, I don't want to waste my time going around in circles on a topic on something that's become pretty boring, tiresome and debated as nauseum.
Ultimately - The whole ethos of the GAA in inherently flawed. Most sports are inherently flawed. Even if all the financial issues were sorted, you'd the have people talking about population differences with one county having a wider pick over another etc. There will always be complaints, and people will always talk a massive load of waffle and expect perfection, but its impossible. It'll never happen. Not in any of our life times in any case.
RE: people not appreciating Dublin's greatness. To my recollection, I cant think of many sports teams in my life time (born early 90s) who were *fully* appreciated while they where still on the scene on the scene ? Manchester United under Ferguson, The great Kilkenny team that won 4 all Irelands in a row 06-09 and 8 in 10 years between 2006 and 2015. No-one likes teams dominating, but when it ends, and Dublin go through a bit of a famine (and it will) , People, not only outside of Dublin, but within Dublin will only full appreciate the magnitude of 4 all Irelands in a row (so far, hopefully 5), how good they are/were and people will hold this team up on a pedestal for decades to come, and ill be telling my kids the stories of this team and all of their achievements.
I watch them home and away. Hail , sun, wind, rain, sleet & snow. I've seen them overcome unreal obstacles like the Mayo and Kerry teams who have pushed them close over the years. I've seen their work rate and application, I'm aware of records they've smashed and the ones in their sights, I think I appreciate how good they are but maybe I don't and in time I will, But I know they're special and above all that, they're really nice, good human beings who in my experiences of them have been nothing superb in giving their time to fans especially kids. They're a credit to the city, the county, their clubs, their families, friends and to us. I don't think we should be insecure and need people from outside of Dublin to tell us how great we are. Don't let it keep you up at night. Even if they don't say it out loud, You'd have to be either in serious denial, blind, or both to not appreciate the brilliance of Dublin.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 28/06/2019 00:03:24
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That article in the op is laughable. FWIW I don't think money is the biggest factor in Dublin's success but trying to justify the amounts by comparison with other counties that have to carry monstrous costs that Dublin simply don't have is lazy and disingenuous all the same. Perhaps a comparison with travel, accommodation and subsistence stripped out might make more sense?
There was certainly an excellent generation of dubs coming through regardless of funding, some of the younger lads in the panel like Fenton would certainly have benefited from coaching and resources but to what extent who knows? It's not an argument either side can win.
I've said it before on here that the next couple of years are critical for the GAA. If Dublin continues to dominate the championship then the GAA have a very serious problem on their hands, one that I have no idea how you could even begin to solve. Good teams in other counties will always be cyclical but Dublin have the population and club and coaching infrastructure to ensure a steady stream of excellent young players will continue to backfill their senior panel.
I had always assumed that the success would dissipate once the Brogans, Flynn's etc started to slow down but the ease with which they have replaced these guys has really surprised me. They have a few defenders pushing on now and obviously Cluxton too so that will be interesting.
We will have to see what the next few years brings but the one thing we can be sure of is that this debate is not going away. It is becoming a serious inconvenience for the GAA and they must surely be hoping that Dublin are beaten soon to shut the detractors up.
GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 28/06/2019 00:40:10
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Replying To BeJasus: "starting to sound like the Man city fans" Well I mean Dublin and Man City are so similar really. For instance City just go out and buy the league by buying the best players money can buy from all over the world without having a single manchester born player playing for them. Just like Dublin go out and buy all the best players money can buy from around the country while not having one born and bred Dub playing for them....... Oh wait
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 28/06/2019 00:41:14
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Losers make excuses , and a lot of Kerry lads Tyrone and other counties have excuses the length of King Kongs arm
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At this point the GAA need to form a separate super 5 competition.
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Let the rest of the normal counties get on with a good and competitive All Ireland. It's only going to get worse so it needs to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years even the likes of Donegal and Kerry can't get within 10 points of Dublin.
Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 28/06/2019 05:44:27
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No matter how much Dublin supporters protest here re money and the Dublin GAA, Bertie Aherne publicly admitted that he allotted special funding for Dublin GAA. So there was political interference from the highest level. That was wrong and totally unfair to the other counties. There is no denying that since that time gaelic football, and hurling to some degree, has made a marked improvement in the capital and that resources, funding, & proper coaching along with talent has made a huge difference to the fortunes of the Dubs. Dublin supporters talk about a very talented team, yes they are talented, but they are also coached, managed, directed and funded to the highest level. I would argue that Corofin have more naturally talented footballers and play football for the love of the game and for the love of the parish which is the essence of the GAA.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 28/06/2019 08:51:00
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Replying To TheUsername: "Has anyone mentioned the four centers of excellence we're building. ;)
Slow of the mark some journos and lads on here, disappointed in some if I'm being truthful! ;)" Sometimes comments like this actually hinder your argument not back it up.
SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 589 - 28/06/2019 08:55:56
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Replying To ConnollyDub: "Knew the culchies would be upset by this ;)
Anyway one thing I've noticed on here is the amount of kerry posters that constantly moan and try to discredit this teams achievements.
The big bad dubs are here to stay lads the GAA is finished bla bla bla... Doomsday merchants.
You can just tell they are hurting big time. They can't stand this Dublin teams success!! Wasn't a peep out of them when we were winning nothing. Sure they loved us... And why wouldn't they... Considering we are their biggest rival in GAA yet failed to beat them in championship football in 30 years. Along comes a golden generation of Dublin footballers and they haven't beaten us this decade... So of course it must be the money. Just like the excuses they rolled out when they couldn't get a win over Tyrone in the noughties, too rough that Tyrone side they said. Very sore losers that lot ;)" You "knew the culchies would be upset by this". You mean every person not from Dublin would be upset by Dublin fans displaying their complete ignorance to the financial benefits they receive.
How did you know Nostradamus?
The rest of your post is dribble trying to attack Kerry football not realising your disdain for Kerry is pertinent to their success, similar to to many peoples disdain for this current Dublin team.
dakid (Australia) - Posts: 284 - 28/06/2019 09:16:39
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Replying To Joxer: "Yeah it's real Irish alright. "Everyone outside Dublin can see what's happening". So you mean central council and the governing bodies that are composed of non-Dubs in the majority. It's like the Croke Park home issue. Dublin is dictated to by Central Council, non-Dubs for the most part. Lobby your county board if you have a problem with funding and/or where Dublin play their games." Why bother, when you can go to annual convention (as a volunteer) make a proposal based on equality, and then have a full time official like Costello stand up and accuse you of being mean spirited..... Then you have the Turkey's voting for Christmas. Rumblings now coming out of Roscommon in relation to the imbalance of the venues for super 8's this may lead to another mean spirited motion from someone else next year!
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 912 - 28/06/2019 09:26:40
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Replying To westkerry: "Joxer the dogs in the street know what's going on. If your involved in your local club you'll know rightly how disconnected the county board are from the members and their views. ( If they listened to its members the clubs fixture mess would be long sorted )
Dublin will win 5 in a row and while celebrated in the capital outside of the M50 it'll be met with a shrug, Great team playing in a flawed system." I never understand the outside the M50 thing, do people think its some kind of boundary, a massive amount of Dublin and its people is out side the M50 in fact i wouldn't put money on most of the population beingin side of the M50 then outside., its weird.
People go on about the Redcow as well, p[pretty funny its like people just picked a random non discript Hotel as some kind of landmark, i suppose people are familiar with it coming up the M7.
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/06/2019 09:59:59
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Replying To SamandLiamSoon: "Sometimes comments like this actually hinder your argument not back it up." I suppose i was being a bit mischievous, maybe in the caliber of reporting on the issue recently. Dublin are box office and great copy these years and seems as if most Journos are hitching their trailer to wagon debating the finances either for or against, which im not particularly displeased about at the moment to be honest.
I just found it mildly amusing, that in a week where the media focus on the issue seemed ripe, most failed pick up on that very significant point.
I was quite surprised myself, those plans are afoot, delighted and excited but surprised, the DCB have a plan for progression Dublin wont be standing still in trying to progress and will be doing it different to what others have developed for their centers of excellence by the looks of it,
TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/06/2019 10:18:36
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ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 28/06/2019 10:20:02
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Dublin
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Let the rest of the normal counties get on with a good and competitive All Ireland. It's only going to get worse so it needs to happen. I wouldn't be surprised if in 5 years even the likes of Donegal and Kerry can't get within 10 points of Dublin." Kerry going for 6 minor all irelands in a row really backs up that prediction pal
ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 2007 - 28/06/2019 10:28:43
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