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Has The Sport Gone Too Soft And Are Commentators Now Being Muzzled?

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Yesterday's crunch game between Cork and Clare led to a golden moment with Anto Daly at half time when he clearly enjoyed the outburst from Clare joint-manager Gerry O'Connor after he pushes Cork's Daniel Kearney to the ground with Anto calling it a passionate outburst that Clare probably needed at that point. Let me start by saying that I do not exactly condone the actions of Gerry but can also see how frustrating it must be to be an official on a sideline during such a high pressure and tense affair and when an altercation is breaking out with players near / on the sideline it would be hard not to get involved.

The part I found most interesting was when Daly initially made his comments he was quickly curtailed by Joanne and Daly (comically) quipped "look i will toe the party line and say that this is not acceptable (paraphrasing here)... but still enjoyed the outburst and the impact it seamed to have on the crowd. Something else that caught my attention was Daly's sudden change of tune when the presenters returned from a commercial break. Clearly someone got onto Daly and told him to change his tune (albeit he only party done so).

Obviously the older generations are going to be more inclined to agree with me when i say that the game has gone quite soft, with cards flying everywhere and managers and backroom team staff being sent from the sidelines for virtually any kind of dissent lately. And it now clearly seams that those in the commentary box are being held to a specific tune in this regard by either the GAA or RTE.

Interested to know the general GAA community's opinion on this.

faithful4ever (Offaly) - Posts: 208 - 17/06/2019 15:49:30    2196597

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I agree that card are being handed out far too easily at times but that said I don't envy anybody being a referee either. Its very hard to keep getting your calls right with the amount of play acting that has crept into the game, particularly in hurling where guys are repeatedly going down holding their head/taking their helmet off at every opportunity trying to get opponents carded.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 762 - 17/06/2019 16:53:24    2196644

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Replying To faithful4ever:  "Yesterday's crunch game between Cork and Clare led to a golden moment with Anto Daly at half time when he clearly enjoyed the outburst from Clare joint-manager Gerry O'Connor after he pushes Cork's Daniel Kearney to the ground with Anto calling it a passionate outburst that Clare probably needed at that point. Let me start by saying that I do not exactly condone the actions of Gerry but can also see how frustrating it must be to be an official on a sideline during such a high pressure and tense affair and when an altercation is breaking out with players near / on the sideline it would be hard not to get involved.

The part I found most interesting was when Daly initially made his comments he was quickly curtailed by Joanne and Daly (comically) quipped "look i will toe the party line and say that this is not acceptable (paraphrasing here)... but still enjoyed the outburst and the impact it seamed to have on the crowd. Something else that caught my attention was Daly's sudden change of tune when the presenters returned from a commercial break. Clearly someone got onto Daly and told him to change his tune (albeit he only party done so).

Obviously the older generations are going to be more inclined to agree with me when i say that the game has gone quite soft, with cards flying everywhere and managers and backroom team staff being sent from the sidelines for virtually any kind of dissent lately. And it now clearly seams that those in the commentary box are being held to a specific tune in this regard by either the GAA or RTE.

Interested to know the general GAA community's opinion on this."
Agree Faithfull. Joanne Cantwell annoyed me. She was like an over zealous primary school teacher.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 17/06/2019 17:50:12    2196676

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Replying To Bon:  "I agree that card are being handed out far too easily at times but that said I don't envy anybody being a referee either. Its very hard to keep getting your calls right with the amount of play acting that has crept into the game, particularly in hurling where guys are repeatedly going down holding their head/taking their helmet off at every opportunity trying to get opponents carded."
I thought the Kilkenny Wexford game was a tough encounter which was great to see but the ref let a alot go. He could have blown for twice a many frees as he did. Part of me says these issues should be dealt with in the league rather than ruining championship matches. There is way too much use of the spare hand so something needs to be done to address this and soon.

ZUL10 (Clare) - Posts: 553 - 17/06/2019 18:00:33    2196684

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Yeh us oldschoolers like a bit of rough and tumble. Punishment wise a game sitting in the stands would suffice.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7701 - 17/06/2019 18:52:32    2196718

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It's not acceptable for a member of a management team to tangle with a player. Anthony Daly was commenting with his Clare goggles on. It was a dumb thing for him to say.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2744 - 17/06/2019 19:00:52    2196723

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The ref certainly let a lot go in Wexford v Kilkenny. No criticism of him but it seems hurling at this level, and maybe football too, is unrefereeable. It seemed as though the ref, Fergal Horgan I think it was, decided he would only blow the whistle when he felt things might get out of control rather than blow for each foul as he saw it. Very inconsistent but the players seem to accept that. He seemed to be managing the game rather than implementing the rules. Maybe he was right

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 267 - 17/06/2019 19:01:07    2196724

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Open Letter to R.T.E.

Dear Joanne,
This is the sixth time I have sat down to pen this missive and I still haven't found the words to describe the anger I feel towards your panelist Anthony Daly. Daly's comments with regard to Gerry O' Connor's actions in Cusack Park on Sunday last were among the worst I've seen from any R.T.E. pundit. To those of you who didn't witness the Daly's heinous condonation of violence, Daly suggested that O' Connor's man-handling of Daniel Kearney was justified in that it got the Clare supporters and player's going. His quip that 'Maybe this is exactly what Clare needed', made my blood boil.
And Daly's justification for this? Who knows? Probably some rubbish about it being a tough week for Clare hurling, about how a county that worked so hard to build a winning tradition in the nineties were being dragged back into the pre-Loughnane days, how many Clare players were the subject of pernicious personal attacks on social media in the week leading up to the match, how Clare hurling had become a spittoon for any lowlife who wanted to aim a hurling hocker at a county that had two bad games. etc. All hogwash. How dare Daly take pride in his fellow county man attempting to rile up the crowd in Cusack Park? I would like to compliment you for your brave riposte- 'Just because it gets the players fired up doesn't make it right'. The disdainful, politically correct look you then threw at Daly left him in no doubt that savage parochialism and pride in one's county is no longer tolerated on our airwaves. Kudos to you Joanne.

So why Joanne, wasn't Daly pushed out the door along with Messers. Loughnane and Farrell?.The latter two should have been got rid of years ago. Their humorous anecdotes, easy manners and sense of humors were an affront to the G.A.A. public. The new batch of pundits are much more engaging. ( With the exception of Daly of course). On Sunday's, I usually have a tipple while watching the pre-match analysis. And what better accompaniment to my whiskey on the rocks than the monotone-voices of Tyrell and co? I can pay no bigger compliment to them than say I have often fallen asleep listening to their explanations regarding the new role of the inter-county sweeper. I heard from a reliable source during the week that one pundit was offered a contract by a sleep therapy company recently to be the voice of a new teddy bear that will help children who suffer from insomnia to sleep. R.T.E. must ensure that pundit is not lured away.

Daly's change of heart at half-time was refreshing. Fair play to you Joanne or to whoever scolded him for his actions. I watched with pleasure as both Daly and McGrath blushed like to schoolboys and muttered some rubbish about the actions being unacceptable. Nothing like reminding someone that their job is on the line to get them to change their tune heh? They love their traditional music in Clare and it is now high time Daly danced to the tune of political correctness.
Kind regards,
D.Trellis

P.S. Please inform Marty Morrissey that he doesn't have to remind us that Aidan Walsh and Eoin Cadogan are former dual players at five minute intervals
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P.P.S. I have enclosed masking tape which can you use to muzzle Daly the next time he gets riled up.

DermotTrellis (Waterford) - Posts: 3 - 17/06/2019 19:05:08    2196728

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Replying To DermotTrellis:  "Open Letter to R.T.E.

Dear Joanne,
This is the sixth time I have sat down to pen this missive and I still haven't found the words to describe the anger I feel towards your panelist Anthony Daly. Daly's comments with regard to Gerry O' Connor's actions in Cusack Park on Sunday last were among the worst I've seen from any R.T.E. pundit. To those of you who didn't witness the Daly's heinous condonation of violence, Daly suggested that O' Connor's man-handling of Daniel Kearney was justified in that it got the Clare supporters and player's going. His quip that 'Maybe this is exactly what Clare needed', made my blood boil.
And Daly's justification for this? Who knows? Probably some rubbish about it being a tough week for Clare hurling, about how a county that worked so hard to build a winning tradition in the nineties were being dragged back into the pre-Loughnane days, how many Clare players were the subject of pernicious personal attacks on social media in the week leading up to the match, how Clare hurling had become a spittoon for any lowlife who wanted to aim a hurling hocker at a county that had two bad games. etc. All hogwash. How dare Daly take pride in his fellow county man attempting to rile up the crowd in Cusack Park? I would like to compliment you for your brave riposte- 'Just because it gets the players fired up doesn't make it right'. The disdainful, politically correct look you then threw at Daly left him in no doubt that savage parochialism and pride in one's county is no longer tolerated on our airwaves. Kudos to you Joanne.

So why Joanne, wasn't Daly pushed out the door along with Messers. Loughnane and Farrell?.The latter two should have been got rid of years ago. Their humorous anecdotes, easy manners and sense of humors were an affront to the G.A.A. public. The new batch of pundits are much more engaging. ( With the exception of Daly of course). On Sunday's, I usually have a tipple while watching the pre-match analysis. And what better accompaniment to my whiskey on the rocks than the monotone-voices of Tyrell and co? I can pay no bigger compliment to them than say I have often fallen asleep listening to their explanations regarding the new role of the inter-county sweeper. I heard from a reliable source during the week that one pundit was offered a contract by a sleep therapy company recently to be the voice of a new teddy bear that will help children who suffer from insomnia to sleep. R.T.E. must ensure that pundit is not lured away.

Daly's change of heart at half-time was refreshing. Fair play to you Joanne or to whoever scolded him for his actions. I watched with pleasure as both Daly and McGrath blushed like to schoolboys and muttered some rubbish about the actions being unacceptable. Nothing like reminding someone that their job is on the line to get them to change their tune heh? They love their traditional music in Clare and it is now high time Daly danced to the tune of political correctness.
Kind regards,
D.Trellis

P.S. Please inform Marty Morrissey that he doesn't have to remind us that Aidan Walsh and Eoin Cadogan are former dual players at five minute intervals
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P.P.S. I have enclosed masking tape which can you use to muzzle Daly the next time he gets riled up."
Why are you posting that in this thread when you created a specific thread for it?

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 267 - 17/06/2019 21:17:54    2196785

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I have no time for Cantwell and her overbearing attitude. Discussion is just that, she intervened a few weeks ago with Donal Og, Daly was clearly wrong, but he is entitled to his opinion. I shudder to think how she is goining to cope with the cut and thrust as we enter later stages. I do hope she muzzles McStay. Maybe she needs to chill and relax more, there is no enjoyment in listening to a rubbish tactical discussion.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4189 - 17/06/2019 21:53:41    2196811

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Replying To faithful4ever:  "Yesterday's crunch game between Cork and Clare led to a golden moment with Anto Daly at half time when he clearly enjoyed the outburst from Clare joint-manager Gerry O'Connor after he pushes Cork's Daniel Kearney to the ground with Anto calling it a passionate outburst that Clare probably needed at that point. Let me start by saying that I do not exactly condone the actions of Gerry but can also see how frustrating it must be to be an official on a sideline during such a high pressure and tense affair and when an altercation is breaking out with players near / on the sideline it would be hard not to get involved.

The part I found most interesting was when Daly initially made his comments he was quickly curtailed by Joanne and Daly (comically) quipped "look i will toe the party line and say that this is not acceptable (paraphrasing here)... but still enjoyed the outburst and the impact it seamed to have on the crowd. Something else that caught my attention was Daly's sudden change of tune when the presenters returned from a commercial break. Clearly someone got onto Daly and told him to change his tune (albeit he only party done so).

Obviously the older generations are going to be more inclined to agree with me when i say that the game has gone quite soft, with cards flying everywhere and managers and backroom team staff being sent from the sidelines for virtually any kind of dissent lately. And it now clearly seams that those in the commentary box are being held to a specific tune in this regard by either the GAA or RTE.

Interested to know the general GAA community's opinion on this."
O'Connor deserved to be sent to the stand for that outburst. Nobody else from the Clare side got involved.

Hawkeye9212 (Donegal) - Posts: 176 - 17/06/2019 22:57:49    2196850

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Replying To arock:  "I have no time for Cantwell and her overbearing attitude. Discussion is just that, she intervened a few weeks ago with Donal Og, Daly was clearly wrong, but he is entitled to his opinion. I shudder to think how she is goining to cope with the cut and thrust as we enter later stages. I do hope she muzzles McStay. Maybe she needs to chill and relax more, there is no enjoyment in listening to a rubbish tactical discussion."
Your key phrase is, "Daly was clearly wrong". He is entitled to his opinion but Joanne Cantwell was correct to call him out in relation to his comments. He was clearly wrong in what he said. Cantwell is a breath of fresh air . For far too long most especially in football the analysts were allowed free rein to say what they liked on RTE. Consequently we got the drivel that masqueraded as analysis. Sky put RTE to shame . Hopefully under Cantwell things will improve. If the analysis of the Galway Roscommon game is anything to go by things will improve.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5009 - 18/06/2019 00:08:35    2196883

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I miss Ger and Cyril..

Managerial career: Look Ger, Cyril Farrell'd be seen as one of the best hurling managers of the modern era. From an early age he would have had a great interest in the coaching side of the game as such, like he was there training the Galway minors and he only a young fella at twenty-three, a real case of Mozart in the fireplace. You can see there, young Farrell'd be at this kind of thing for years. no surprise then and he winning an Under 21 All-Ireland with Galway in 1978. Two years later then and BANG! Galway has it's first senior All-Ireland since 1923. What more do you want Ger, but sure he was after opening the floodgates of the Yangtze as such, and two more senior All-Ireland victories as well as two National Hurling League titles between 1985 and 1990 was like throwing nuts to a monkey for young Farrell. Thats championship for you Ger.

Punditry
Young Farrell then comes onto The Sunday Game, a real Cinderella under the the christmas tree moment for Michael Lyster and the boys, Cyril's there though and he knows this, he knows Offaly have a good underage team that's coming through, Tomás Mulcahy's agitated, kind of dancing around the flames, coming out with the same old line about Munster hurling. Ball thrown in, full forward bats the ball down, lovely flick BANG! back of the net. Cork are having a bit of run like, Offaly, always the bridesmaids, never the brides as such Ger, but watch here, direct ball from the centre-half back, goalie doesn't deal with it, BANG, goal, game on now Ger, it's in the melting pot. Look, Offaly have been at this comeback gig for years, Cork won't be happy, but that's championship for you. As such.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 18/06/2019 19:54:17    2197273

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "I miss Ger and Cyril..

Managerial career: Look Ger, Cyril Farrell'd be seen as one of the best hurling managers of the modern era. From an early age he would have had a great interest in the coaching side of the game as such, like he was there training the Galway minors and he only a young fella at twenty-three, a real case of Mozart in the fireplace. You can see there, young Farrell'd be at this kind of thing for years. no surprise then and he winning an Under 21 All-Ireland with Galway in 1978. Two years later then and BANG! Galway has it's first senior All-Ireland since 1923. What more do you want Ger, but sure he was after opening the floodgates of the Yangtze as such, and two more senior All-Ireland victories as well as two National Hurling League titles between 1985 and 1990 was like throwing nuts to a monkey for young Farrell. Thats championship for you Ger.

Punditry
Young Farrell then comes onto The Sunday Game, a real Cinderella under the the christmas tree moment for Michael Lyster and the boys, Cyril's there though and he knows this, he knows Offaly have a good underage team that's coming through, Tomás Mulcahy's agitated, kind of dancing around the flames, coming out with the same old line about Munster hurling. Ball thrown in, full forward bats the ball down, lovely flick BANG! back of the net. Cork are having a bit of run like, Offaly, always the bridesmaids, never the brides as such Ger, but watch here, direct ball from the centre-half back, goalie doesn't deal with it, BANG, goal, game on now Ger, it's in the melting pot. Look, Offaly have been at this comeback gig for years, Cork won't be happy, but that's championship for you. As such."
Ha ha, but it's not "BANG" it's "BENG" and it's not "Ger" it's "Gir". Read it out again using those pronunciations and you will truly experience the essence of Cyril.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1082 - 19/06/2019 03:29:28    2197415

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Agree Faithfull. Joanne Cantwell annoyed me. She was like an over zealous primary school teacher."
Maybe trying to save his job for him as there can be no excuse for what happened. None. He HURT HIS OWN PLAY FFS? AD may not be at RTE too much longer. Maybe see him on Sky.
Terrible example by Gerry O'C!

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 79 - 19/06/2019 12:36:30    2197535

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Replying To DermotTrellis:  "Open Letter to R.T.E.

Dear Joanne,
This is the sixth time I have sat down to pen this missive and I still haven't found the words to describe the anger I feel towards your panelist Anthony Daly. Daly's comments with regard to Gerry O' Connor's actions in Cusack Park on Sunday last were among the worst I've seen from any R.T.E. pundit. To those of you who didn't witness the Daly's heinous condonation of violence, Daly suggested that O' Connor's man-handling of Daniel Kearney was justified in that it got the Clare supporters and player's going. His quip that 'Maybe this is exactly what Clare needed', made my blood boil.
And Daly's justification for this? Who knows? Probably some rubbish about it being a tough week for Clare hurling, about how a county that worked so hard to build a winning tradition in the nineties were being dragged back into the pre-Loughnane days, how many Clare players were the subject of pernicious personal attacks on social media in the week leading up to the match, how Clare hurling had become a spittoon for any lowlife who wanted to aim a hurling hocker at a county that had two bad games. etc. All hogwash. How dare Daly take pride in his fellow county man attempting to rile up the crowd in Cusack Park? I would like to compliment you for your brave riposte- 'Just because it gets the players fired up doesn't make it right'. The disdainful, politically correct look you then threw at Daly left him in no doubt that savage parochialism and pride in one's county is no longer tolerated on our airwaves. Kudos to you Joanne.

So why Joanne, wasn't Daly pushed out the door along with Messers. Loughnane and Farrell?.The latter two should have been got rid of years ago. Their humorous anecdotes, easy manners and sense of humors were an affront to the G.A.A. public. The new batch of pundits are much more engaging. ( With the exception of Daly of course). On Sunday's, I usually have a tipple while watching the pre-match analysis. And what better accompaniment to my whiskey on the rocks than the monotone-voices of Tyrell and co? I can pay no bigger compliment to them than say I have often fallen asleep listening to their explanations regarding the new role of the inter-county sweeper. I heard from a reliable source during the week that one pundit was offered a contract by a sleep therapy company recently to be the voice of a new teddy bear that will help children who suffer from insomnia to sleep. R.T.E. must ensure that pundit is not lured away.

Daly's change of heart at half-time was refreshing. Fair play to you Joanne or to whoever scolded him for his actions. I watched with pleasure as both Daly and McGrath blushed like to schoolboys and muttered some rubbish about the actions being unacceptable. Nothing like reminding someone that their job is on the line to get them to change their tune heh? They love their traditional music in Clare and it is now high time Daly danced to the tune of political correctness.
Kind regards,
D.Trellis

P.S. Please inform Marty Morrissey that he doesn't have to remind us that Aidan Walsh and Eoin Cadogan are former dual players at five minute intervals
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P.P.S. I have enclosed masking tape which can you use to muzzle Daly the next time he gets riled up."
God help us, he's added another post script to his novel.

HS, why are we not able to trim the comment we are replying to so a thread is readable. If anyone played games w/copy & paste it would be called out right away.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 79 - 19/06/2019 12:40:22    2197543

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Replying To arock:  "I have no time for Cantwell and her overbearing attitude. Discussion is just that, she intervened a few weeks ago with Donal Og, Daly was clearly wrong, but he is entitled to his opinion. I shudder to think how she is goining to cope with the cut and thrust as we enter later stages. I do hope she muzzles McStay. Maybe she needs to chill and relax more, there is no enjoyment in listening to a rubbish tactical discussion."
You should send her a letter detailing who she is allowed to let have an opinion and who she should muzzle.

You're about as consistent here as a junior B referee.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2744 - 19/06/2019 20:37:58    2197737

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Replying To arock:  "I have no time for Cantwell and her overbearing attitude. Discussion is just that, she intervened a few weeks ago with Donal Og, Daly was clearly wrong, but he is entitled to his opinion. I shudder to think how she is goining to cope with the cut and thrust as we enter later stages. I do hope she muzzles McStay. Maybe she needs to chill and relax more, there is no enjoyment in listening to a rubbish tactical discussion."
Discussion is just that but McStay must be muzzled? He's not a greyhound! I think Buff Egan is right. The Sunday Game and that era of punditry means little to our youth. They should lighten up a bit. Good analysis and a bit of craic would do no harm. It's like a wake some nights.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5498 - 20/06/2019 05:57:55    2197815

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Discussion is just that but McStay must be muzzled? He's not a greyhound! I think Buff Egan is right. The Sunday Game and that era of punditry means little to our youth. They should lighten up a bit. Good analysis and a bit of craic would do no harm. It's like a wake some nights."
I agree on the "lighten up" bit! Although im from the younger generation (but im going to refrain from being specific on my age for obvious reasons) and there's nothing more enjoyable than listening to Brolly and Spillane goad each other in a heated discussion but yet still hit vital points of argument. It perfectly combines proper analysis of tactics and key battles with light-hearted (albeit not always light-hearted) banter which is enjoyable, engaging and doesnt bore the S*** out of the audience. The sky sports punditry can be sleep-inducing to listen to at times!

I dont exactly condone violence by officials but good god football and hurling has gone so soft in the past 10 years. its painful to see a referee never take the whistle out of his mouth rather than just letting the game flow. And with punditry, the commentators are all different and have their own opinions. Let them speak and let the other commentators who disagree with them, do so and make it a proper 2 sided affair. I couldnt get over Daly's sudden change of tune after the commercial break, it was blatantly obvious someone had got on to him to retract his statement (although i love how he only half retracted it haha).

faithful4ever (Offaly) - Posts: 208 - 20/06/2019 10:58:29    2197868

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Replying To faithful4ever:  "I agree on the "lighten up" bit! Although im from the younger generation (but im going to refrain from being specific on my age for obvious reasons) and there's nothing more enjoyable than listening to Brolly and Spillane goad each other in a heated discussion but yet still hit vital points of argument. It perfectly combines proper analysis of tactics and key battles with light-hearted (albeit not always light-hearted) banter which is enjoyable, engaging and doesnt bore the S*** out of the audience. The sky sports punditry can be sleep-inducing to listen to at times!

I dont exactly condone violence by officials but good god football and hurling has gone so soft in the past 10 years. its painful to see a referee never take the whistle out of his mouth rather than just letting the game flow. And with punditry, the commentators are all different and have their own opinions. Let them speak and let the other commentators who disagree with them, do so and make it a proper 2 sided affair. I couldnt get over Daly's sudden change of tune after the commercial break, it was blatantly obvious someone had got on to him to retract his statement (although i love how he only half retracted it haha)."
We have to get on with the present rules. Daly's comments were not acceptable, and it was right he retracted at the break. What is it about Clare mentors and match officials/ opposition players?.
Gerry O'Connor's actions were totally wrong.

Eddie Brennan on The Sunday Game that night was right in stating attacks by team mentors/officials are never acceptable.

thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1164 - 20/06/2019 11:48:51    2197894

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