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Eoin Murphy's Tackle - Wexford V Kilkenny

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Replying To Heftydickonem: "Some whinging from the Wexford crowd (and Tipp posters, peculiarly) since the match about this, it happens the whole time but now that a Wexford player almost died (apparently) its something that needs addressing urgently. Not a peep about TJ Reid being split open with a jab of the hurl to the face that when completely unpunished though, strange" Nobody said anybody almost died. And nobody was taking a dig at Murphy. Just about every keeper does it. That doesn't make it right though and it certainly isn't "brave". Nobody in Wexford is whinging. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 19/06/2019 12:38:29 2197540 Link
Replying To Heftydickonem: "Some whinging from the Wexford crowd (and Tipp posters, peculiarly) since the match about this, it happens the whole time but now that a Wexford player almost died (apparently) its something that needs addressing urgently. Not a peep about TJ Reid being split open with a jab of the hurl to the face that when completely unpunished though, strange" Nobody said anybody almost died. And nobody was taking a dig at Murphy. Just about every keeper does it. That doesn't make it right though and it certainly isn't "brave". Nobody in Wexford is whinging. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 19/06/2019 12:38:36 2197541 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "I dunno where you are hearing complaining, but I am living in Wexford for the summer now that college is out and haven't heard 1 person complaining this week about the referee. Also weren't Kilkenny complaining about timekeeping the previous week? Was that OK then?" It's really simple..... Kilkenny supporters don't like it when opposition teams have the audacity to go toe to toe with them. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 19/06/2019 12:44:39 2197545 Link
Replying To Heftydickonem: "I completely agree with most of your post, except the O'Hanlon forearm to TJ's face and subsequent in his face goading and shouting isn't the incident I was referring to. I haven't seen the match since, so can't give an exact time but if I recall correctly in the first half TJ was blown for steps running in on goal, and when the referee blew the whistle TJ was struck to the face. He was later treated for it" Is this the same St. Reid who tried to drive his knee into Liam Ryan as he was getting up? Y'know after he let Mullen know he was in Wexford's home patch. Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 224 - 19/06/2019 12:50:35 2197549 Link
Only saw the Murphy tackle in real time on TV and thought it was just a brave keeper putting his body on the line - but open to correcting as others have mentioned . Rory O'Connor smashing the hurl over Paul Murphys leg- nowhere near the ball - and got a yellow . Thought that was a straight red . He then scores 2 vital points after . Suppose it was just a tough game and I didnt hear of any players complaining so happy to move on and look forward to leinster final . Fancy Wexford to win Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 19/06/2019 12:53:07 2197552 Link
Replying To Ej: "It's really simple..... Kilkenny supporters don't like it when opposition teams have the audacity to go toe to toe with them." The issue of Reid been hit in the face was brought up simply in response to the moaning from Wexford supporters about Murphy on here and other forums, talk of being disappointed with commentators for not condemning it, ref should have given a penalty, it was cowardly,a leg breaker etc., to show that Kilkenny supporters could have reason to complain about specific incidents if they too wanted to, like Wexford supporters are about the Murphy incident. Yet there were so many posts last week, including from Wexford posters about how Kilkenny posters are always moaning about the referee, ironic isn't it "It's really simple..... Kilkenny supporters don't like it when opposition teams have the audacity to go toe to toe with them." - you've just pulled that out of nowhere, nobody is complaining about physical or "manly" hurling as it often referred to, even if it suits your narrative to claim that there is, although I don't think in your face shouting and goading falls into that category and I'm glad I've never seen a Kilkenny player partake in it Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 19/06/2019 13:29:10 2197569 Link
Replying To Heftydickonem: "The issue of Reid been hit in the face was brought up simply in response to the moaning from Wexford supporters about Murphy on here and other forums, talk of being disappointed with commentators for not condemning it, ref should have given a penalty, it was cowardly,a leg breaker etc., to show that Kilkenny supporters could have reason to complain about specific incidents if they too wanted to, like Wexford supporters are about the Murphy incident. Yet there were so many posts last week, including from Wexford posters about how Kilkenny posters are always moaning about the referee, ironic isn't it "It's really simple..... Kilkenny supporters don't like it when opposition teams have the audacity to go toe to toe with them." - you've just pulled that out of nowhere, nobody is complaining about physical or "manly" hurling as it often referred to, even if it suits your narrative to claim that there is, although I don't think in your face shouting and goading falls into that category and I'm glad I've never seen a Kilkenny player partake in it" I've been to 9 wexford kilkenny games sense 2017, Reid has played 6 of them and with some of the kk support esstiantly you are not allowed tackle him, second you do, this section of the kk supporter are calling for a free. Ofcourse he's going to be targeted by Wexford, what do you expect us to do, stand off and admire him like galway did... bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 19/06/2019 14:32:07 2197601 Link
Replying To wexico15: "I've been to 9 wexford kilkenny games sense 2017, Reid has played 6 of them and with some of the kk support esstiantly you are not allowed tackle him, second you do, this section of the kk supporter are calling for a free. Ofcourse he's going to be targeted by Wexford, what do you expect us to do, stand off and admire him like galway did..." Of course I don't, but again, I wasn't implying that. Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 19/06/2019 14:49:32 2197613 Link
Replying To Gowran_Yank: "And rightfullyso as the ref prevented TJ from taking the free." Ref shouldve added a coupla minutes extra to the added time too as it was him that was the cause of the delay as he flutered around booking lads then didnt tell TJ where to take the free from for ages. Well 1 minute 29 seconds. Was poor out of Murphy studs up off the floor is a leg breaker if he caught Rory when his foot was planted. Pull by Rory on Paul Murphy or the match long dragging and wrestling between MOH and TJ werent possible season enders. I thought the ref was great in the Park the last day best performance by a ref Ive seen in a long time. No whingeing down here!! Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11841 - 19/06/2019 14:54:32 2197616 Link
Replying To Heftydickonem: "The issue of Reid been hit in the face was brought up simply in response to the moaning from Wexford supporters about Murphy on here and other forums, talk of being disappointed with commentators for not condemning it, ref should have given a penalty, it was cowardly,a leg breaker etc., to show that Kilkenny supporters could have reason to complain about specific incidents if they too wanted to, like Wexford supporters are about the Murphy incident. Yet there were so many posts last week, including from Wexford posters about how Kilkenny posters are always moaning about the referee, ironic isn't it "It's really simple..... Kilkenny supporters don't like it when opposition teams have the audacity to go toe to toe with them." - you've just pulled that out of nowhere, nobody is complaining about physical or "manly" hurling as it often referred to, even if it suits your narrative to claim that there is, although I don't think in your face shouting and goading falls into that category and I'm glad I've never seen a Kilkenny player partake in it" Are you for real? Davy is a pure novice compared to Cody when it comes to in your face shouting at officials. I was at croke park back in the day when he told his man to stay on the deck and roared at the ref to send Liam Dunne off. More recently, he roasted two officials in the Walsh cup final two years ago. I doubt you saw that though as it wasn't on the box. Nobody in Wexford was moaning about Murphy. As I said earlier, most keepers in that situation do the same. Try seeing past the colour of the jerseys and just look at the incident for what it was. It's a foul and a nasty one at that. Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 19/06/2019 14:58:25 2197617 Link
Replying To Ej: "Are you for real? Davy is a pure novice compared to Cody when it comes to in your face shouting at officials. I was at croke park back in the day when he told his man to stay on the deck and roared at the ref to send Liam Dunne off. More recently, he roasted two officials in the Walsh cup final two years ago. I doubt you saw that though as it wasn't on the box. Nobody in Wexford was moaning about Murphy. As I said earlier, most keepers in that situation do the same. Try seeing past the colour of the jerseys and just look at the incident for what it was. It's a foul and a nasty one at that." My very first post in this thread acknowledges that the challenge had the potential to hurt so your last sentence is redundant "I doubt you saw that though as it wasn't on the box" what's the reason for this petty statement? You have no idea what matches I do and don't attend or are you simply signalling that you're a real GAA man for attending a Walsh Cup final ? Cody has had run ins with officials over the course of his 20 years in charge with Kilkenny, no denying that, but it is pretty deluded to think that anyone in GAA can match Davy for roaring like a jackass at officials, opponents etc. and when you consider how bad his reputation is for this, imagine how bad it would be if had been involved in as many high profile televised games over 20 years that Cody has Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 19/06/2019 16:05:01 2197640 Link
I think the original poster is just making the point that goalkeepers come out and spread themselves while potentially kung-fu kicking the attacker, I would expect Mark Fanning to do the same as it is currently not policed, but the point is that it should be. As somebody above said, Touhy did the same to Callinan. Nash does the same. But none of them should be getting away with it on the grounds of it being brave. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 19/06/2019 16:25:29 2197651 Link
Replying To StoreysTash: "I think the original poster is just making the point that goalkeepers come out and spread themselves while potentially kung-fu kicking the attacker, I would expect Mark Fanning to do the same as it is currently not policed, but the point is that it should be. As somebody above said, Touhy did the same to Callinan. Nash does the same. But none of them should be getting away with it on the grounds of it being brave." What will it take before the problem is tackled? A high profile career ending injury to 1 of the star forwards in a big 3 team? This thread isnt a "pick on Murphy" thread. Its a problem with all keepers. No keeper should be allowed to dive in off his feet and feet first. If he leaves his feet he should only be allowed to spread himself sidewards which would be braver and more effective at stopping a shot too as he would be making himself larger. If an outfield player did it he would be sent off. So why should it be different for a keeper? Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11841 - 19/06/2019 17:49:15 2197687 Link
Replying To Sindar: "I'm just wondering am I the only one who saw Eoin Murphy's "tackle" in the first half of Wexford v Kilkenny. Minute 23 if you have a recording. I have one but doubt they'll let me post it.. What suprises me most is that not a single commentator either live or on The SG even mentioned it. Not only was it a penalty to Wexford but it was a red card also. Had O'Connor's foot been planted at the time of the "tackle" he'd be in hospital today with it in a cast and season and maybe career over. To his credit he got up and limped away more embarrassed by the lost opportunity than the injury he sustained. I can't help feel that if this was football, The SG panelists would be up in arms and the Leinster CCC would be forced to take a look this week. All Nicky English could muster was "Eoin Murphy gets something on it"." I actually seen it real time, and couldn't believe the whistle wasn't blown for it...not sure if Murphy meant any real harm but he certainly "took " O'Connor out of it (dangerously) I don't know...the refereeing in the 3 hurling games last week end were all so different you would think they were a different sport...KK/Wexford reminded me of Brian Gavin letting teams at it...no place for that either, he let some terrible hits go in his time reffing... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 19/06/2019 18:21:03 2197699 Link
Replying To MesAmis: "Hurling keepers get away with fouls like that all the time. Nolan got away with one on Saturday night in the Neller as well." He did indeed, it should have been a penalty and a card. It wasn't his first time either! There was another very high and dangerous tackle from C Keaney in the second half but no free, Keaney got the sliotar and scored a point! I wonder what Munster referees have against Galway! baire (Galway) - Posts: 1794 - 19/06/2019 18:23:02 2197700 Link
When I opened this thread I had no intention of stirring things between Kilkenny and Wexford. I'm a Rossie afterall! But I'm also a Referee (albeit in Football) and that looked a red card in real time from the way Murphy dived in studs up and O'Connor being upended. Refs look at those things and it is a category III infraction (the same rule as faceguard interference) which would have incurred a one match ban. Here's an https://1drv.ms/u/s!Al22mcSvGizJgvhKecFlh07QBTAw5g of what happened and I can tell you it looks every bit as bad in https://drive.google.com/file/d/19wFosvJYv4Ek0eXBfu30ADGoYj1gmt75/view Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 19/06/2019 18:28:29 2197701 Link
Looks like Huw Lawlor handled it on the ground too trying to keep it out but hard to tell. Fulgrim (Wexford) - Posts: 224 - 19/06/2019 21:24:17 2197760 Link
Replying To baire: "He did indeed, it should have been a penalty and a card. It wasn't his first time either! There was another very high and dangerous tackle from C Keaney in the second half but no free, Keaney got the sliotar and scored a point! I wonder what Munster referees have against Galway!" Baire. As regards refereeing decisions and perception of same. I was in a certain great hurling business place in Fermoy the morning after the 2001 Limerick/Cork game. The outcome hung on a last minute sideline cut, which was pointed by Barry Foley. (The score is featured in a current promotional advertisement for the Hurling Championship). A Cork supporter at our little gathering protested that the ref blew up the game too soon. Present was a Limerick man, who is often seen as the Doctor with Cork underage teams. His reply, made from a Limerick point of view, was succinct. He simply said 'give me a page of foolscap and a half an hour and I will describe stories of Limerick teams and grief from referees'. However I genuinely do not believe any ref goes out to do any county and the main reason my own county did not win an All Ireland for forty five years was simply because we were not good enough. I believe this for too main reasons, (1) we always ignore or grossly underplay dirty play by our own side and (2) we fail to see the mistakes made by our own players, or indeed management, during games, which often contribute far more to defeats. Its often simply too easy to just blame the ref. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4318 - 20/06/2019 09:41:40 2197836 Link
Its often simply too easy to just blame the ref. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1964 - 20/06/2019 09:41:40 2197836 Nail on head. StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 20/06/2019 12:26:28 2197917 Link
Personally, I feel this was good goalkeeping, off his line quick put pressure on the man taking the shot. He prevent O connor from getting a clean strike on he got a touch on the ball to make it easier for Huw Lawlor to scramble it away. You can judge any incident by if he had his foot planted in the ground then its a season ender. Additonally just because someone gets injured it doesnt mean its a bad challenge, case in point being Tom Parsons injury last season. Players get injured, accident can happen. The Murphy and Tuohy Incidents are complete different in my book. Tuohy raise his leg to near head height which is dangerous play, boarderline Red card but yellow was the correct decision. If People on here want to talk about cowardly challenges, Matthew O Hanlons second yellow is that in my opinion, Hes that late hes nearly early for the next ball and catches the player (cant remember who it was) square in the chest. This for me was a Red Card. On the Liam Ryan, Adrian Mullen 'challenge', that was charging by Ryan imo. He just drives straight into him. juicy (Meath) - Posts: 399 - 20/06/2019 12:47:07 2197931 Link