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Yerra it probably won't be our young and green boys from the Kingdom. A poster who likes to indulge in writing thesis on here these days about how his native county has no advantages at all at all suggested (in a mercifully brief post) that Corofin would be an able challenge to the mighty Dubs - he is a man who knows his stuff :D Hand Dublin their 5 in a row now and let the rest of us get on with a few summer games to see who gets the silver medal... TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 18/06/2019 14:17:59 2197110 Link
Replying To lilypad: "Meath will fly out of the traps head first into everything and probably take an early lead. With 10 minutes to go theyll be wishing laois bet them." Its surprising how many do this, the first ten mins against Dublin, Dublin will allow you to take the lead, they will size you up for ten mins, let hope linger then identify your weakness and up the gears. Every game this happens and no one seems to learn, another common facet is teams coming out all geed up going billyo for 20 mins, empty the tank, arent able to sustain it and Dublin up the gears and ask the big questions. Dublin are like a great white just circle their prey and wait to strike just when the shore looks in sight. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/06/2019 14:28:23 2197114 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Its surprising how many do this, the first ten mins against Dublin, Dublin will allow you to take the lead, they will size you up for ten mins, let hope linger then identify your weakness and up the gears. Every game this happens and no one seems to learn, another common facet is teams coming out all geed up going billyo for 20 mins, empty the tank, arent able to sustain it and Dublin up the gears and ask the big questions. Dublin are like a great white just circle their prey and wait to strike just when the shore looks in sight." They don't even bother size up their opposition in Leinster. They have a rote training method that means every player knows his role and can do it without thinking. Dublin will be no different on Sunday than they were v Kildare or v louth. Their superior skills, fitness, strength and speed means they don't really bother with tactics until they really need to. Defo when the dubs play Kerry, mayo, donegal or Tyrone they will pay attention. They won't even need to do that with the field. Galway included. I take no satisfaction in writing this as it means that the end of the summer is likely to be Aidan Obrien stable v point to point. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 18/06/2019 14:59:11 2197132 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Yerra it probably won't be our young and green boys from the Kingdom. A poster who likes to indulge in writing thesis on here these days about how his native county has no advantages at all at all suggested (in a mercifully brief post) that Corofin would be an able challenge to the mighty Dubs - he is a man who knows his stuff :D Hand Dublin their 5 in a row now and let the rest of us get on with a few summer games to see who gets the silver medal..." Nobody knows what Kerry's ceiling is yet. They are stumbling through Munster, probably in the middle of some heavy conditioning work with a view towards July. The midfield has not been convincing but Moran and Barry have not started together yet this year due to injury. I said on the Kerry page yesterday that they need another body in there If they want to match up with the better teams. Nothing would really surprise me with Kerry in 2019, they may well limp out in disappointing fashion like in 2018 or they may cut loose and surprise a few people in the Super 8's. It's anybody's guess. An injury to Moran or Clifford would finish Kerrys season IMO but they have decent cover in most other positions. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 18/06/2019 15:10:28 2197138 Link
Replying To Donegalman: "They don't even bother size up their opposition in Leinster. They have a rote training method that means every player knows his role and can do it without thinking. Dublin will be no different on Sunday than they were v Kildare or v louth. Their superior skills, fitness, strength and speed means they don't really bother with tactics until they really need to. Defo when the dubs play Kerry, mayo, donegal or Tyrone they will pay attention. They won't even need to do that with the field. Galway included. I take no satisfaction in writing this as it means that the end of the summer is likely to be Aidan Obrien stable v point to point." Did donegal need to pay attention to Meath?? Two games , one lost by a horrendous keeper error, the other by missing a glaring goal chance and a questionable disallowed goal. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/06/2019 16:52:42 2197186 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Its surprising how many do this, the first ten mins against Dublin, Dublin will allow you to take the lead, they will size you up for ten mins, let hope linger then identify your weakness and up the gears. Every game this happens and no one seems to learn, another common facet is teams coming out all geed up going billyo for 20 mins, empty the tank, arent able to sustain it and Dublin up the gears and ask the big questions. Dublin are like a great white just circle their prey and wait to strike just when the shore looks in sight." Dubs will not have met a fitter team this year than Meath, that I can assure you. We won't be tiring no matter what. It might not make a difference, but fitness won't be a issue. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/06/2019 16:55:33 2197189 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Dubs will not have met a fitter team this year than Meath, that I can assure you. We won't be tiring no matter what. It might not make a difference, but fitness won't be a issue." They will hopefully of learned their lesson from the Donegal game in the league, as they did exactly that. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/06/2019 16:59:19 2197191 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "They will hopefully of learned their lesson from the Donegal game in the league, as they did exactly that." our 3 championship games so far have had a similar pattern where we definitely haven't started off at 100 miles an hour. In all of them we were level enough at around the 25 minute mark and put a push on for the spell between there and half time. Against offaly we went from 6 all to 9-6 up at the break in that period. Think carlow was 4 all and we scored about 2-2 in that slot. similar happened against laois. this would suggest we start very conservatively and i'd expect the same on sunday. however if we give dublin the amount of ball we gave laois in the first 20 minutes we can head home by 4:30. more worrying is how we have left the scoreboard untroubled for long periods at the start of the second half in our games. That is when we could be buried. Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 522 - 18/06/2019 17:10:45 2197199 Link
Replying To Greenfield: "our 3 championship games so far have had a similar pattern where we definitely haven't started off at 100 miles an hour. In all of them we were level enough at around the 25 minute mark and put a push on for the spell between there and half time. Against offaly we went from 6 all to 9-6 up at the break in that period. Think carlow was 4 all and we scored about 2-2 in that slot. similar happened against laois. this would suggest we start very conservatively and i'd expect the same on sunday. however if we give dublin the amount of ball we gave laois in the first 20 minutes we can head home by 4:30. more worrying is how we have left the scoreboard untroubled for long periods at the start of the second half in our games. That is when we could be buried." Yeah Meath will play cagey. Was looking at some stats, in first 15 mins of Laois game we had only 25% possession. Now it's a different story with dubs, Laois couldn't break down our defense, royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/06/2019 17:23:05 2197205 Link
Replying To Greenfield: "our 3 championship games so far have had a similar pattern where we definitely haven't started off at 100 miles an hour. In all of them we were level enough at around the 25 minute mark and put a push on for the spell between there and half time. Against offaly we went from 6 all to 9-6 up at the break in that period. Think carlow was 4 all and we scored about 2-2 in that slot. similar happened against laois. this would suggest we start very conservatively and i'd expect the same on sunday. however if we give dublin the amount of ball we gave laois in the first 20 minutes we can head home by 4:30. more worrying is how we have left the scoreboard untroubled for long periods at the start of the second half in our games. That is when we could be buried." The Donegal game stands out for me as i remember thinking at the time, that Meath emptied the tank in the first half and looked to have little left in reserve on 50 mins, when Donegal upped the tempo, that was just my impression on the game management. To be fair it was this teams first outings in Croke park and they will hopefully have learned that lesson im sure. Dublin will test it, they will use the full length and width of the pitch and try and make Meath run and chase and expend energy. if i was Meath i would be having a look at Kildare, they won some massive turnover the last day out and if Meath could convert what Kildare missed from that turnover, we might have a game on our hands. Im curious about the game in all honesty, i saw Meath down in Portlaoise and i thought our tempo, pace and speed would be to much for Meath, i was drinking pints before our game the last day so go into the first so i only saw the highlights. But im taking on board everything the Meath lads are saying, so im open minded about what Meath could bring based on the optimism of the lads on here have and how they think the game will pan out and evoking the memory of battles past. I was driving through Meath last weekend and its a while since ive seen so much hype and flags etc around the county - great to see. Hopefully the game does it justice. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/06/2019 17:30:28 2197209 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Yeah Meath will play cagey. Was looking at some stats, in first 15 mins of Laois game we had only 25% possession. Now it's a different story with dubs, Laois couldn't break down our defense," Meaths defense actually is the one area that stood at to me as an area of really good quality, albeit a small sample size of seeing them live as i mentioned. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 18/06/2019 17:32:14 2197211 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Did donegal need to pay attention to Meath?? Two games , one lost by a horrendous keeper error, the other by missing a glaring goal chance and a questionable disallowed goal." Lost all the same. MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 18/06/2019 17:57:57 2197222 Link
Replying To clondalkindub: " Replying To Northsidegaels: "[quote=gwanyagudthing: "[quote=centerfield: "[quote=Kingdomson: "Dublin have no challenger any more. Dublin are moving away out on their own completely. Maybe after this season the scales will lift from more eyes with regards the future of football at All Ireland senior level. This is not a stand alone Dublin side organically coming to a peak with an end of life cycle hoping to go to the well one more time and win a 5 in a row. It's not a bit like the Kerry side in 1982 that were the same squad and especially first 15 year in and out for 5 continuous years or like the Kilkenny team in 2010 that had massive collective mileage too. What sets Dublin apart from Kerry 82' and Kilkenny 10' is this Dublin team is continually hitting the re-set button and regenerating at rate no other side can match. The Dublin senior squads - not squad - I mean squads - are getting younger, stronger and even more professional and efficient by the year. Dublin will cruise onto a 5 in a row. Let's talk about six baby will be the cry soon enough! The lack of genuine competition will eventually even effect the most staunch of Dublin supporters, the fun and drama will go out of it soon enough. Mark my words." i agree with a lot of what you said but i think they'll have a bit of work to replace Cluxton, Fitsimons, Cooper, Mcmahon, OSullivan who are all starting to push on" Some of the talk about Dublin is way over the top. People were saying the same things about Kilkenny a few years ago and look at it now. The reality is that within a couple of years they will lose Cluxton, Cooper, McMahon, McCaffrey, MDMA, Brogan, McManamon, O'Gara and Andrews. Yes there are young guys coming in that are quality but they are going to lose a large number of leaders in a short space of time. With the exception of last year (and Tyrone over achieved in getting to the final in my opinion), Dublin have had to graft very hard to win the various finals. The day will come and very soon, that they will fall short. And then there will be the postmortem, end of an era talk. They will fall back into the pack. It's inevitable. The more interesting question for me is whether we will see another county start to dominate or will a few different counties win 1 each like in the hurling the last few years. I expect it will be the latter as there isn't much to choose between the chasing pack as this thread shows."]Mccaffery is in his mid 20s for God sake hasnt even hit his prime yet while there is plenty of football in cooper yet. Brogan, Andrew's, o gara and mcmenamin are all peripheral figures and If dublin can find a few young forwards ( which out of 1.5 million people is inevitable they will) then they can replace these seamlessly. Dublin might not always be going for 5 in a row like they are now but it seems wrong that purely because of their advantages they will be there or there abouts every year"]39 thousand registered players in Dublin half it with hurling and its around 18 thousand football players."]Hahaha 18000 players in dublin thats a great one clondalkin I'd say youd a great giggle to yourself after typing that one buddy! Iv my doubts about 39000 for a start where does that stat come from and if it is well then I'd say 35000 play football. Very rare to see a hurler who doesn't play football in dublin unlike the other way around Northsidegaels (Meath) - Posts: 237 - 18/06/2019 18:09:18 2197227 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Meaths defense actually is the one area that stood at to me as an area of really good quality, albeit a small sample size of seeing them live as i mentioned." They have a strong defense, the halfback line was a cause for serious concern over a number of years. That has been rectified thankfully royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/06/2019 18:13:52 2197229 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Did donegal need to pay attention to Meath?? Two games , one lost by a horrendous keeper error, the other by missing a glaring goal chance and a questionable disallowed goal." Start a fresh thread, I am commenting on Dublin's footballing Algorithmic properties, not on how Donegal are likely to prepare for our next meath match. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 18/06/2019 20:51:36 2197314 Link
Replying To TheHermit: "Yerra it probably won't be our young and green boys from the Kingdom. A poster who likes to indulge in writing thesis on here these days about how his native county has no advantages at all at all suggested (in a mercifully brief post) that Corofin would be an able challenge to the mighty Dubs - he is a man who knows his stuff :D Hand Dublin their 5 in a row now and let the rest of us get on with a few summer games to see who gets the silver medal..." Ah it was like salman Rushdies satanic verses the hermit, it was nearly as bad as his post about his trip down to Kerry during the league :-) KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 18/06/2019 22:38:54 2197369 Link
Replying To royaldunne: "Did donegal need to pay attention to Meath?? Two games , one lost by a horrendous keeper error, the other by missing a glaring goal chance and a questionable disallowed goal." Lost both games though... Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1321 - 18/06/2019 23:20:10 2197380 Link
Replying To tommy132: "biggest challengers.. 1. Themselves - its too easy for them and might get caught uo in the 5 in a row hype/pressure 2. Donegal - so far they look good 3. Tyrone - its in them but seem to be gone like Mayo and too focused on Dublin and how to beat them and get caught out. 4. Kerry - just cause its Kerry..but they are badly stuck for a midfield. 5. The rest.." The Dubs don't do hype. It's heads down and on to the next game. It's a fight for jerseys where no one player is guaranteed a start. It's always about the team, never the individual. Apart from Dublin not showing up in Croker on All- Ireland Sunday, I can't see them not winning the 5 IN A ROW! GormlaighG (Mayo) - Posts: 77 - 18/06/2019 23:32:46 2197385 Link
Replying To Donegalman: "Start a fresh thread, I am commenting on Dublin's footballing Algorithmic properties, not on how Donegal are likely to prepare for our next meath match." Yeah but to Royaldunne everything can be brought back to Meath, no matter the subject matter. the_walls (Mayo) - Posts: 495 - 19/06/2019 08:24:26 2197436 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "Ah it was like salman Rushdies satanic verses the hermit, it was nearly as bad as his post about his trip down to Kerry during the league :-)" Forgot that classic alright! A man for all seasons and people, mate/a chara ;D TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 19/06/2019 10:51:43 2197486 Link