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Dublin's Success Not Down To Money - GAA President

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Replying To Whammo86:  "https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/gaa-defend-colossal-funding-given-5109614.amp

From the above article:

There is a caveat in that the wages of coaches in the capital are paid by the Dublin County Board, but by the relevant provincial council where every other county is concerned.


So, the €1.64m that the Leinster Council receives for games development, for example, is then distributed among the other 11 counties in the province, excluding Dublin.

But at an average of just less than €150,000 each, it still falls well short of Dublin's funding."
Thanks Whammo. John Horan spoke about that on radio and said further research was required . I've heard or read nothing in relation to it since . As you said even if each of the other counties did receive € 150,000 there would still be a very significant shortfall in comparison to what Dublin receive and that shortfall has been in place for each of the last twelve years. The cumulative effect is widening the gap year on year .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 25/07/2019 22:41:12    2216564

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "The worst kind of ignorance is not knowing that you don't know but having a smug superiority complex.

Your posts lead me to believe that you are firmly in that category. I doubt you even have a club team."
Of course I do.Man Utd.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 25/07/2019 22:56:37    2216571

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "The GAA is about your club first and foremost. County is great and all that but until Dublin clubs are winning all levels of club All-Irelands year in year out, I'm not worried and our games dying which is the doomsday nonsense so many of you love to spout.

I find a lot of these comments pretty sad in all honesty. I take great joy out of GAA and I don't need Donegal to be winning in order to have that joy."
Inane comment. It's not all about County football. Having kids play GAA without the prospect of them representing their county but fostering a love of our native sport is the objective. I doubt you're a club man yourself with those silly comments.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 25/07/2019 23:14:50    2216577

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Not in a million"
You're going to get split whether you like it or not. If you don't want to attend matches anymore be my guest, you can still enjoy the club scene. The rest of us won't mind and can get back to enjoying a more even playing field.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 25/07/2019 23:53:34    2216590

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "There are 1.4 million of you. Can you get the concept? Resources, resources.

Kilkenny, now that's a GREAT team. No extra funding, 80,000 pop.

Success wasn't BOUGHT."
I'm aware of our population. Can you answer my simple question please, without trying to confuse the issue.
What's the relevant connection between getting poor Dublin children to play GAA games and your insistence that we must first divide the city in four.
If we don't do it do you advocate further disadvantage for the most vulnerable citizens in our country by withholding development funds?

steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 26/07/2019 00:18:26    2216598

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Replying To greysoil:  "Sure she already has a 'partner', as pointed out many times! Oh and I think he might have played for Dublin - am sure I read that somewhere on here ...."
For someones who is more then a little precious themselves, you dont seem to have any problem poking around in someone personal life.

Leave it out, its nothing to do with the thread title or GAA for that matter. Play the ball and not the woman.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/07/2019 08:25:55    2216621

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I hate these threads.

I hate responding to them because it gives them fuel to continue but I do have to try to get some perspective here.

Anyone who is against the GAA's €1.5m a year games development funding going to Dublin GAA is against trying to get as many Dublin born children playing Gaelic games.

That's it. That's what you are fighting.

There's a project in place to coach as many of the roughly 15k children a year born in Dublin as possible.

The cost of that project is currently about 3-3.5m per annum of which the GAA puts up half.

Why does the GAA not put that money into other counties?

It doesn't cost that amount to coach kids in other counties because there are 15k children being born in those counties each year.

Also any stat that compares the money going to Dublin versus say Cork isn't a fair comparison. Anyone using those stats are basing their arguments on a bad faith use of the funding breakdown.

Much of that information has been vociferously spread by the completely unbiased reporting from ... Ewan McKenna?

Most of the money being spent by the games development funds is being spent on GDO's. Dublin based GDO's are employed by the Dublin county board funded in part by GAA central council.

Cork GDO's are employed by Munster Council part funded by GAA central council. Cork children are still having coaching provided to them from funding provided by the GAA central council, it just never flows through the hands of the Cork county board.

Dublin GAA gets around €1.5m a year of a total games development budget of around €11m. It's a whole lot less sensational number there isn't it. That's because the story is a lot less sensational than some would have you believe."
This then ends the argument of Dublin being split.

If we are talking about a population that's multiples of most counties requiring funding that is also multiples of most counties then its ridiculous to field just one team and complete as a normal county.

RoyalBadger (Meath) - Posts: 571 - 26/07/2019 09:39:34    2216648

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "County has been taking over from club for 30 yrs or so. Now finals moved from St. Patrick's Day to January.

Most kids dream of playing for county over club. It's the ultimate. If not most county players wouldn't make themselves available."
Nonsense. Kids dream of representing their country at international level in rugby, soccer, athletics - does that mean there's no value in them going down to their local team and playing week-in week-out?

County is the dream for many but club is the reality and club is the most important thing to the GAA as an organisation. Without the clubs there is no GAA, end of story.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 26/07/2019 09:43:31    2216649

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Replying To avonali:  "Inane comment. It's not all about County football. Having kids play GAA without the prospect of them representing their county but fostering a love of our native sport is the objective. I doubt you're a club man yourself with those silly comments."
Assuming you're aiming that at our Laois pal as I'm saying club is number 1.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 26/07/2019 09:50:10    2216652

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Replying To oneoff:  "I'm just pointing out that you're not the best when it comes to resurch. Just go back a few pages on this thread and you'll see. As I've pointed out already I was a poster before

I say you as this is obviously another one of your many profiles."
So we've established that you have more than one profile. Gotcha
While that may be the case for you its not for me so sorry to burst that bubble.

All I asked was that you show where jimbo has badly researched something before and you gave me 'go back a few pages and you'll see'. Lacking on the specifics like the subject matter or how bad his figures or analysis was - pretty much the trend for a lot of posts on this thread.

Ps Jimbo wishes he was as good a poster as me!!!

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 26/07/2019 09:54:10    2216654

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Nonsense. Kids dream of representing their country at international level in rugby, soccer, athletics - does that mean there's no value in them going down to their local team and playing week-in week-out?

County is the dream for many but club is the reality and club is the most important thing to the GAA as an organisation. Without the clubs there is no GAA, end of story."
Absolutely. It's all about parish v parish, club v club. It's what makes the GAA great and different from other sports. IC is great but it's just the topping on a large cake at the end of the day. The fabric of the sport and organisation is at club level.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 26/07/2019 09:57:19    2216657

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Replying To RoyalBadger:  "This then ends the argument of Dublin being split.

If we are talking about a population that's multiples of most counties requiring funding that is also multiples of most counties then its ridiculous to field just one team and complete as a normal county."
So what do we do when `Meath (Pop 200K) play Longford. (pop 40K)? That is an imbalance of 5:1 roughly the same imbalance between the respective populations of Dublin v Meath. Should we split Meath too?

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 26/07/2019 09:59:48    2216660

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Assuming you're aiming that at our Laois pal as I'm saying club is number 1."
Apologies, yes it's directed at him.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 26/07/2019 10:14:09    2216670

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Nonsense. Kids dream of representing their country at international level in rugby, soccer, athletics - does that mean there's no value in them going down to their local team and playing week-in week-out?

County is the dream for many but club is the reality and club is the most important thing to the GAA as an organisation. Without the clubs there is no GAA, end of story."
Any split in Dublin will see the GAA take a nose dive in Dublin with knock-on effects for the National organisation. Ultimately everyone would feel the effects. The anti-dubs would be happy enough with that because it suits their narrow agenda of simply stopping the Dubs winning All Irelands.
You can take our GDF
You can take our referees
You can take our Croker but
You will never take our Countyyyyyyyyyyyy

steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 26/07/2019 10:18:30    2216673

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The population issue has to do with pride in your county and club, we have people driving down from Dublin or flying home every weekend from London to Mayo, Donegal, Kerry etc for club matches yet some people are too lazy to drive 20 miles from Dublin to Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow back to their home clubs to play for them, instead they live in Dublin and they transfer to Dublin clubs or else their kids play for the local club in Dublin, how can you have a superpower (Dublin) in football which is a small county area wise yet the neighbouring counties like Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow are poor and have been for years, makes no sense, now the rest of us would be whinging if we had the 5 Pale counties were destroying the rest of us but at least you would view it as the population increase, can't understand why the other 4 counties aren't up there at the top table

riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 26/07/2019 10:30:28    2216680

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Replying To steve097:  "Any split in Dublin will see the GAA take a nose dive in Dublin with knock-on effects for the National organisation. Ultimately everyone would feel the effects. The anti-dubs would be happy enough with that because it suits their narrow agenda of simply stopping the Dubs winning All Irelands.
You can take our GDF
You can take our referees
You can take our Croker but
You will never take our Countyyyyyyyyyyyy"
Never.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 26/07/2019 10:35:54    2216682

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Ive a funny feeling the Dubs are going to be up for this and no mistake after the league game this year.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 26/07/2019 10:54:40    2216688

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Replying To steve097:  "Any split in Dublin will see the GAA take a nose dive in Dublin with knock-on effects for the National organisation. Ultimately everyone would feel the effects. The anti-dubs would be happy enough with that because it suits their narrow agenda of simply stopping the Dubs winning All Irelands.
You can take our GDF
You can take our referees
You can take our Croker but
You will never take our Countyyyyyyyyyyyy"
What about your women?

Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 26/07/2019 11:17:26    2216697

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Replying To riverboys:  "The population issue has to do with pride in your county and club, we have people driving down from Dublin or flying home every weekend from London to Mayo, Donegal, Kerry etc for club matches yet some people are too lazy to drive 20 miles from Dublin to Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow back to their home clubs to play for them, instead they live in Dublin and they transfer to Dublin clubs or else their kids play for the local club in Dublin, how can you have a superpower (Dublin) in football which is a small county area wise yet the neighbouring counties like Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow are poor and have been for years, makes no sense, now the rest of us would be whinging if we had the 5 Pale counties were destroying the rest of us but at least you would view it as the population increase, can't understand why the other 4 counties aren't up there at the top table"
I agree 100%. I know Dublin have advantages but as I said these advantages have always been there with Dublin. At the end of the day it's 21 v 21 with subs on the day and even in this "era of dominance", it was only last year where it was a procession (and even at that, you'd have to say Tyrone didn't help themselves and the Dubs were just incredible on the day). Every other All-Ireland they've won they have been pushed all the way, usually by Mayo. Now I may be getting excited but I think we are coming again, I think Kerry are coming again as well. Then Tyrone will always be competitive, Mayo with a full deck. The gap isn't as big as people believe in my opinion. Whoever Dublin play in the semis they will be in a serious game - they will probably win by 4 or 5 in the end, but it will be a serious test for them.

In terms of the counties in and around Dublin, I think Meath will be back at the top table in the next decade. There is no doubt that the gap is massive in Leinster but I think this is a combination of the Dubs really sorting out their coaching structures and the other counties resting on their laurels a wee bit. Now you see Kildare doing very well at underage and I hope they can convert that to senior success soon (unlike Cavan with their great U21 sides in recent years). Meath as I said I think are coming. Repeating myself a bit but I do think the GAA need to do more to help counties with getting their structures right in order to give them the best chance to compete at the highest level.

As I say, I will only start worrying about "the future of our games" if Dublin clubs start winning everything in every code and every grade year after year. But I don't think that will ever happen.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 26/07/2019 11:26:07    2216701

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Replying To Sindar:  "What about your women?"
Well YOU passed on that one I believe :)

steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 26/07/2019 11:36:09    2216705

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