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Do you know the lotto numbers for the weekend? Seeing as you can tell the future? This idea of peoples parents being top level sports people meaning their chilrden will be as well have been disproven time and time again, but sure it's Dublin so it must be different oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 13/06/2019 08:59:30 2194251 Link 1 |
There is no doubt everything was brilliantly executed and managed. I don't think anybody is questioning that at all. How many counties can afford a paid CEO, Head of Coaching and Commercial Manager though? As for the hurlers, they have improved arguably more than the footballers but were coming from a much much lower base and it was always going to take longer. Success will come there eventually I have no doubt. You probably have several players on the football team that would make the hurling team as well which stymies the overall potential, they have the opposite problem in the likes of Tipp. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 13/06/2019 10:19:14 2194269 Link 3 |
I agree with this. The majority of this Dublin panel would have come through anyways. Dublin have always been a top team but the fact an extra special golden generation have come through in the last decade have brought them to a level never seen before. Their rise can also be put down to great management teams under Pat Gilroy and Jim Gavin who both have brought levels of professionalism that wasn't there before. That said even Dublin supporters much look at the financial support Dublin GAA get compared to other counties and cringe. Then you look at little things at how Dublin get to use Croke Park as a home venue and play more games there than any other team and you wonder why give them any sort of advantage that they don't even need. I look at my own county, who I'd consider a top 8 team, and they have played in Croke Park 3 times in the last 2 years and twice was against Dublin. How many times have Dublin played in Croke Park in the last 2 years not including all ireland semi finals and finals? This is a great Dublin team, possibly the best of all time. They don't need advantages over other counties but for some reason they get them. Do I think these advantages make a huge difference? Probably not to this particular Dublin team but we often hear it's up to the other counties to close the gap and get their own house in order but if the current financial backing of Dublin GAA remains as is and the Croke Park issue remains unchanged then Dublin will always have an advantage over others and it will be impossible to close gaps. They might lose the odd all ireland but they won't lose too many. Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 13/06/2019 10:24:39 2194274 Link 5 |
We once tried that Voluntary Coach malarkey. Was grand in theory but unfortunately we couldn't get enough voluntary kit suppliers, voluntary providers of infrastructure etc etc on board so it fell away to an arse. Now we just let the kids turn up at our club and run around the field themselves for an hour or two of an evening - well, those who have voluntary parents happy to drive them to the place. The younger ones are useless though as their legs are too short to reach the pedals on the lawnmower so we have made a hole in the fence and hope that a few voluntary sheep will make their way in to get the grass to a respectable level. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 13/06/2019 10:26:49 2194277 Link 1 |
You seem to have 'a agenda' against Jack??"]Glass half empty people arnt my cup of tea,
Royal.Legend (Meath) - Posts: 665 - 13/06/2019 10:43:42 2194290 Link 2 |
This craic again. Firstly Dublin are amazing, no doubt, the best and most consistent squad we have ever seen but any Dublin posters claiming Horan is right are just ignoring the facts. And don't want to listen. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7885 - 13/06/2019 10:50:34 2194295 Link 1 |
Sure if it's all down to the volunteers and nothing to do with the financial backing, then the GAA can withdraw all of their funding and it won't make any difference. iarmhi_an_mhaith (Westmeath) - Posts: 268 - 13/06/2019 10:59:14 2194300 Link 3 |
Clon ye went from being hammered by 17 points by us this time 10 years ago to now achieving the second ever 5 in a row, and you say money hasn't anything to do with it? Ye can deny it all ye want but everyone knows it's all to do with the money. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 13/06/2019 11:01:04 2194301 Link 1 |
So your telling me Ciaran Kilkenny is only good cause of money even doh his cousin is the famous Purcell player from Galway ? Dean Rocks dad is Barney Con's dad played for Dublin James McCarthy's dad played for Dublin Kev mac's dad played for Dublin Brian Fenton's monther and uncles swam for Ireland Jacks dad played for Dublin Darren Gavin's dad is an all Ireland winner with Galway 98 Mannion played international soccer his cousins play county for Roscommon That's just a few players off the top of my head , these guys were going to make it no matter what stick you hit us with it was in there DNA there naturally talented. If it's all down to money why aren't we cleaning up at every level ? We won a '21 a few years back but if Clifford wasn't still minor and O Conor wasn't in Oz we wouldn't have won it. I'm up at the nursery's every Saturday the coaching is abc stuff hit the tyre with the hurl, run around , it's just a laugh to get the kids out there's no mad rocket science behind all this. The money pumped into Dublin was to get the game going again nothing to do with making Dublin a great team. The big clubs in Dublin are still the same big clubs 20 years ago nothing's really changed the same teams are still winning money has made no difference. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2019 11:02:29 2194302 Link 5 |
The only palatable solution it seems is to stop funding the 1.4 mill people in Dublin the 1.3mill to fund games development. I wouldn't be opposed to the challenge of letting Dublin loose from the communial model to become self sustainable by a change in the funding model. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 13/06/2019 11:04:46 2194303 Link 3 |
You went from getting hammered by Down in 91 and Meath in 01 to dominating for the next 20 years it happens. Donegal got hammered by Cork in '10 two years later they were champions, again it happens. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2019 11:19:11 2194313 Link 5 |
Not only should Dublin be losing any money they get from central funds, they should be contributing some of their sponsorship money back to the central pot of money. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 13/06/2019 11:20:27 2194315 Link 2 |
2010 lost to Cork, Meath (hammered by Meath) jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 13/06/2019 11:23:05 2194319 Link 4 |
We're a Stephen Cluxton injury or suspension away from being in big trouble anything happens to him in the bigger games and things could change very quickly and money won't save us. clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 13/06/2019 11:36:20 2194327 Link 1 |
I would imagine the funding model is whatever you got last year + / - a couple of percent either way, that's usually the way things work once costs start to get entrenched. I don't think the funding should be withdrawn but it would be great if the same opportunities could be given to other areas. I haven't looked at figures or anything but given the success of the programme surely it is now time to take the Dublin model and roll it out (carefully) elsewhere? GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 13/06/2019 11:38:40 2194328 Link 1 |
Exactly. Stephen Cluxton was there in '09 for the spanking by Kerry. I'd love to know how money has directly contributed to his improvement as a player over the years.
TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 206 - 13/06/2019 11:42:16 2194330 Link 2 |
Dublin had all the same supposed advantages in 2010, 2011, 2012, 2014, 2016 jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20598 - 13/06/2019 11:43:54 2194333 Link 2 |
See, it's in a position now where I am not sure what the solution to it all is. There is no doubt that Dublin for years were under performing at County (and club) level given the size/population of the County and needed assistance to get the GAA scene rejuvenated, kids out etc - I know as I see the problems that have faced our own County when it comes to GAA in Belfast. Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 13/06/2019 11:44:03 2194334 Link 2 |
Nail on the head. Its a golden generation but they are also getting a leg up (commerical money, croke park access). All county teams should be treated equally. The commercial funds pulled in that Dublin can get is far superior to their next rival. If the GAA want to do fix leinster and get the race for sam competitive they have to set a framework for all counties to mimic the Dublin commercial set up. Max the incoming funding and ensure the funding to each inter county set up is equal. Gator (Monaghan) - Posts: 238 - 13/06/2019 11:58:31 2194341 Link 0 |
How there you attack our good friend Trump ;-D
PyatPree (Cork) - Posts: 376 - 13/06/2019 12:04:14 2194346 Link 0 |