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Replying To conordee:  "Small fella alright......incredible hurler and was heroic yesterday."
Is 6'2"-6'3" really considered short?

Think they're going to have to demote Henry to Prince Henry down in KK. TJ just seems to be getting better. Playing a role like Eoin Larkin did post '08, but still scoring huge #'s while setting up more.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 10/06/2019 14:26:43    2192931

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Replying To Mayonman:  "All 3 reds were justified.

Murphy was on a deserved yellow and he had fouled a few times previously before the block, which was probably a yellow anyway. Did you notice the ref put up 5 fingers to him? I presume he was indicating multiple fouls.

Hansbury, initially i thought was just a yellow but when i saw it again the tackle was head high. No complaints.

Awlward, I can't remember his first but the wrestling around etc was definitely a booking. To be fair he was tripped so I agree he was provoked but he instigated the wrestling.

Lots of cynical fouling in the game on both sides. Needs to be addressed. I am a strong believer in sin bins for yellow cards. 10 minutes in the bin ends all the nonsense. The only thing the makes me wary is the amount of times the ref books both players rather the apportion blame."
Totally agree in regards to the sin bin. Cynical pulldown should be a yellow and 8 to 10 mins in the bin. Very simple solution and it avoids the overly harsh black card which refs wont use as they know it's basically a hammer to crack a nut.
Non of the sendings off yesterday were correct. Murphy stood his ground, no if ands or buts. Not a free or yellow. Hansbury but the Hurley over the mans shoulder..not a clothes line tackle. Ridiculous really... And Awlward...please...his supposed retaliation wasnt a retaliation. He ought not have reacted bit his reaction was mild enough. Overall Cody is right...should be no reds in hurling....and wouldn't be a need if we have the sin bin.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1710 - 10/06/2019 15:33:20    2192990

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Totally agree in regards to the sin bin. Cynical pulldown should be a yellow and 8 to 10 mins in the bin. Very simple solution and it avoids the overly harsh black card which refs wont use as they know it's basically a hammer to crack a nut.
Non of the sendings off yesterday were correct. Murphy stood his ground, no if ands or buts. Not a free or yellow. Hansbury but the Hurley over the mans shoulder..not a clothes line tackle. Ridiculous really... And Awlward...please...his supposed retaliation wasnt a retaliation. He ought not have reacted bit his reaction was mild enough. Overall Cody is right...should be no reds in hurling....and wouldn't be a need if we have the sin bin."
Murphy didn't just stand his ground. He put his arms out to stop a player running on to the loose ball. If he just stood there, he wouldn't have blocked anyone. He knew exactly what he was doing and had racked up a number of fouls before that also. The second yellow was well earned at that stage.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 10/06/2019 22:30:18    2193247

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Replying To JDF:  "Only for TJ Reid having the game of his life they'd have been well beat.

Kilkenny won 9 contested balls in the air, TJ won 7 of them. He kept them in the game.

Galway were still very rusty and gifted Kilkenny so many soft scores with poor passing and a poor touch."
Your last line is the key to your first one. Galway contributed to Reid having the game of his life by not delegating a man marker to stick to him leech like. Also -- incredibly -- a number of puck outs were directed his way...... in the first half anyway.
Wexford will close him down considerably on Saturday and he will be far less effective imo.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1902 - 11/06/2019 03:19:22    2193308

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Replying To ballydalane:  "And to rub salt into the wound he blows full-time on the Kilkenny puck-out. Couldn't blow it up fast enough. Stop clock needs to come into hurling and football asap. The referee's raised arm and three-whistle blast may offer a more dramatic denouement to big matches than an ugly foghorn, but fair and transparent timekeeping is more important than the whims of individual referees."
Kilkenny have to be the worst losers in the game. just because ye didn't lose for a decade doesn't mean ye are the kingpins of hurling.
Delighted we bet ye now..! ha

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 425 - 11/06/2019 08:18:47    2193318

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Replying To Mayonman:  "All 3 reds were justified.

Murphy was on a deserved yellow and he had fouled a few times previously before the block, which was probably a yellow anyway. Did you notice the ref put up 5 fingers to him? I presume he was indicating multiple fouls.

Hansbury, initially i thought was just a yellow but when i saw it again the tackle was head high. No complaints.

Awlward, I can't remember his first but the wrestling around etc was definitely a booking. To be fair he was tripped so I agree he was provoked but he instigated the wrestling.

Lots of cynical fouling in the game on both sides. Needs to be addressed. I am a strong believer in sin bins for yellow cards. 10 minutes in the bin ends all the nonsense. The only thing the makes me wary is the amount of times the ref books both players rather the apportion blame."
Just wondering because Ive seen it a few times....where has 'Hansbury" come out of?

Its Hanbury....there's no s, never even heard it anywhere outside of GAA or anything pronounced with an s

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 705 - 11/06/2019 08:38:44    2193326

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Kilkenny have to be the worst losers in the game. just because ye didn't lose for a decade doesn't mean ye are the kingpins of hurling.
Delighted we bet ye now..! ha"
I already said on this thread that Galway deserved to win, it hardly negates my point about the haphazard and arbitrary nature of referees' timekeeping in hurling and football.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 11/06/2019 11:28:15    2193410

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Kilkenny are whinging about every referee, every day.
Pay no heed to it. It can't always be the referee.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 11/06/2019 15:24:35    2193535

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Kilkenny are whinging about every referee, every day.
Pay no heed to it. It can't always be the referee."
Neutral commentators on various media have also questioned the referees time management at the end of the game and also highlighted the Galway cynicism, not as an attack on Galway in particular but that the punishment dished out to such cynicism often doesn't fit the crime.

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 11/06/2019 15:49:32    2193551

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Im not 1 to complain about ref decisions as some go your way some dont over 70 mins and Galway were worthy winners of a great game

But 2 things this weekend bothered me.
In this day and age I cant understand why any field game would not use a stopclock its such a simple thing to implement

And secondly umpires need to be more proactive in hurling. Its a hard game to ref for 1 man and he needs help. Every time Gillane went to run into space for a pass the Clare man would slow him with a grab or tug. Multiple times right infront of 2 umpires and not a word said.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 11/06/2019 16:31:17    2193572

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Neutral commentators on various media have also questioned the referees time management at the end of the game and also highlighted the Galway cynicism, not as an attack on Galway in particular but that the punishment dished out to such cynicism often doesn't fit the crime."
Well sure why don't the neutral commentators go out and referee then, if it is so easy?
Would those neutral commentators be running from 70 yards down the field, making a decison at pitch level or would they be looking at it on TV?
I'm fed up listening to GAA supporters complaining about referees. Every Sunday all you see or hear is the referee dogged us. Kilkenny are the worst supporters in this regard, sorry.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1732 - 11/06/2019 18:14:36    2193620

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Well sure why don't the neutral commentators go out and referee then, if it is so easy?
Would those neutral commentators be running from 70 yards down the field, making a decison at pitch level or would they be looking at it on TV?
I'm fed up listening to GAA supporters complaining about referees. Every Sunday all you see or hear is the referee dogged us. Kilkenny are the worst supporters in this regard, sorry."
With all due respects the only complaint on this thread from KK is the injury time played,you dont have to be running up and down to the field to lose track of your watch,there were no complaints about the refereeing of the match,your statement that KK are the worse supporters is completely wrong,go back to the start of this thread and read what neutrals said.

mooncat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 533 - 11/06/2019 21:13:56    2193689

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Replying To mooncat:  "With all due respects the only complaint on this thread from KK is the injury time played,you dont have to be running up and down to the field to lose track of your watch,there were no complaints about the refereeing of the match,your statement that KK are the worse supporters is completely wrong,go back to the start of this thread and read what neutrals said."
Kilkenny supporters are an awful whingey bitter shower would be my own opinion. God forbid somebody should try mark TJ Reid or hit Wally Walsh a shoulder every now and then. The Cheek!

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 12/06/2019 08:23:34    2193796

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Wexford fans going on about Kilkenny being the worst losers, and they've got the Ayatollah Khomeini of bad losers as their manager.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 12/06/2019 08:28:08    2193797

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Totally agree in regards to the sin bin. Cynical pulldown should be a yellow and 8 to 10 mins in the bin. Very simple solution and it avoids the overly harsh black card which refs wont use as they know it's basically a hammer to crack a nut.
Non of the sendings off yesterday were correct. Murphy stood his ground, no if ands or buts. Not a free or yellow. Hansbury but the Hurley over the mans shoulder..not a clothes line tackle. Ridiculous really... And Awlward...please...his supposed retaliation wasnt a retaliation. He ought not have reacted bit his reaction was mild enough. Overall Cody is right...should be no reds in hurling....and wouldn't be a need if we have the sin bin."
I disagree, Murphy had already been warned by the referee on five separate occasions following his first yellow, so the ref had no choice but to give him a second yellow, likewise Hansbury's challenge was dangerously high. Definite sympathy for Aylward, but the other two were correct. Some people on here think you need to leave the field on a stretcher before the perpetrator gets the line, which is just macho bulls**t.

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 170 - 12/06/2019 09:58:24    2193822

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I pity Wexford in next game, the wrath of Cody is coming to town. KK are traditionally very physical, look at the legendary Tommy Walsh, many a red not given to him that should have, he was some hurler mind you.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1196 - 12/06/2019 10:16:46    2193828

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Replying To mooncat:  "With all due respects the only complaint on this thread from KK is the injury time played,you dont have to be running up and down to the field to lose track of your watch,there were no complaints about the refereeing of the match,your statement that KK are the worse supporters is completely wrong,go back to the start of this thread and read what neutrals said."
TJ wasted most of that time himself, spending 2mins or so placing the ball for his free. I thought KK were 2 points up at time, the carry on of him, and not two points down. Why didn't he clip it over quickly, instead of wasting 2mins at it.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3410 - 12/06/2019 12:46:40    2193900

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Kilkenny are whinging about every referee, every day.
Pay no heed to it. It can't always be the referee."
No it can't, but this time he blew over 2 minutes early. Complete BS.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 12/06/2019 13:51:08    2193932

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Replying To Gowran_Yank:  "No it can't, but this time he blew over 2 minutes early. Complete BS."
4 minutes was announced. Ref blew on 4.15.
End of story.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 12/06/2019 14:21:39    2193951

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Totally agree in regards to the sin bin. Cynical pulldown should be a yellow and 8 to 10 mins in the bin. Very simple solution and it avoids the overly harsh black card which refs wont use as they know it's basically a hammer to crack a nut.
Non of the sendings off yesterday were correct. Murphy stood his ground, no if ands or buts. Not a free or yellow. Hansbury but the Hurley over the mans shoulder..not a clothes line tackle. Ridiculous really... And Awlward...please...his supposed retaliation wasnt a retaliation. He ought not have reacted bit his reaction was mild enough. Overall Cody is right...should be no reds in hurling....and wouldn't be a need if we have the sin bin."
Think thats fairly spot on. Sin bin would sort out alot of the cynicism without putting a man off for good via black or red cards. We d have more goals too as last man defenders would either not pull someone through on goal down or be absent for 10 minutes meaning more space for the attackers.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11736 - 12/06/2019 14:21:58    2193952

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