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Replying To royaldunne:  "No potential Kildare v dubs. No potential Meath v Westmeath.
Thank god for sky. Rte can keep whack it anywhere with a stick."
Kildare v dubs is on Sky. Meath v Westmeath is 2nd tier football, if they started showing that they'd have to start showing Christy Ring hurling

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 30/04/2019 19:50:02    2181136

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Kildare v dubs is on Sky. Meath v Westmeath is 2nd tier football, if they started showing that they'd have to start showing Christy Ring hurling"
If you plan a 3 tier system possibly Westmeath would be in Tier 2. Sure let's just put the top 8 elite hurling and football counties into their own Premier Leagues and ignore the rest because 'sure who'd want to watch the poor standard of the other counties'?

Maybe people from those other counties would like to see their counties on the television more than a one minute snippet and a mention before they exit the championship.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7325 - 30/04/2019 20:07:17    2181139

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Kildare v dubs is on Sky. Meath v Westmeath is 2nd tier football, if they started showing that they'd have to start showing Christy Ring hurling"
Division one Meath against the winner of both competition they in this year second rate?? Stick to whack it anywhere, cause you know nothing about the real gaa game :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/04/2019 21:06:12    2181149

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Somebody want to tell RTÉ & the GAA that gaelic football and hurling are different sports. That's a slap in the face to football fans. Time GAA split coverage & give BBC NI Ulster championship coverage at the very least.

shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 187 - 30/04/2019 21:19:26    2181153

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Replying To shaggykev:  "Somebody want to tell RTÉ & the GAA that gaelic football and hurling are different sports. That's a slap in the face to football fans. Time GAA split coverage & give BBC NI Ulster championship coverage at the very least."
Agreed. It's bad enough that they try and degrade it with their pundits but now this. To hell with rte.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/04/2019 21:53:10    2181156

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Replying To shaggykev:  "Somebody want to tell RTÉ & the GAA that gaelic football and hurling are different sports. That's a slap in the face to football fans. Time GAA split coverage & give BBC NI Ulster championship coverage at the very least."
I don't know the answer to be honest but I would be surprised if last year or this if there were more hurling games on tv or football. If imagine it's a similar split over the season....please explain to me how that's a slap in the face for football?

tipp11 (Tipperary) - Posts: 353 - 30/04/2019 21:56:55    2181157

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Replying To tipp11:  "Provincial hurling championships are as good as they've ever been and in Munster far and away the best competition. Very few early season football games will come close this this. Come super 8s we will have loads of top quality football games. It will be interesting to see the televised hurling v football split by the end of the year. People will make mountains out of this initial announcement but for me it will even out and we should have a season of top quality games on tv and I'm delighted with that"
I agree that the Munster hurling championship is superb. But there are also 4 extremely competitive hurling counties in the Leinster championship and I for one would have loved for Carlow to have the limelight after all their efforts.
I agree also that as the 'super' 8's gets to the business end the hurling/football tv split will equal out.

Ej (Wexford) - Posts: 355 - 30/04/2019 23:45:31    2181176

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Division one Meath against the winner of both competition they in this year second rate?? Stick to whack it anywhere, cause you know nothing about the real gaa game :)"
Meath are at best No.10 ranked team in the country, on a par to Carlow in Hurling. Westmeath are probably on a par to Westmeath in Hurling. If carlow were playing westmeath in hurling would you call it a top tier game? Get my point????

RTE have it dead right in my opinion, show top class hurling early on and then show the Football when the cream starts rising to the top.
Anybody dissapointed can just take the drastic step of going to the match themselves.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 409 - 01/05/2019 08:23:30    2181190

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In the football, they just want to show the top teams playing each other. I think this is a mistake as there can be great matches matches between teams that are evenly matched, it doesn't have to be a Super 8 side. for example, you could get some really good matches in the Leinster championship between evenly matches teams - if you exclude Dublin. Also it is a chance to promote these counties.

Personally I think there should be a live game every Saturday evening on RTE or Sky. I know it can be a pain travelling to a game late on Satuday evening for supporters but it is a great time slot for TV viewers.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 01/05/2019 11:00:26    2181221

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Meath are at best No.10 ranked team in the country, on a par to Carlow in Hurling. Westmeath are probably on a par to Westmeath in Hurling. If carlow were playing westmeath in hurling would you call it a top tier game? Get my point????

RTE have it dead right in my opinion, show top class hurling early on and then show the Football when the cream starts rising to the top.
Anybody dissapointed can just take the drastic step of going to the match themselves."
This is the reality, the Leinster and Munster hurling is the equivalent of the Super 8's in football. They are always going to show the games that will attract the biggest viewership.

One gripe I have about the coverage overall is that the Sunday game is so awful. They show extended highlights of games that we have already seen live and then talk incessantly about them. You barely get a 30 second snippet of other games that may have been very good. If there is both hurling and football on that day and you are not from one of the top counties you may as well forget it!

Surely there is an opening for a longer magazine style highlights show, even if it was web based and came out on the Monday I would be happy with that, or TG4 could do it. The overall coverage across both codes is really poor imo.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 01/05/2019 12:00:24    2181245

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Ulster Championship will be covered by BBC either live or deferred

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 241 - 01/05/2019 14:05:31    2181270

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Division one Meath against the winner of both competition they in this year second rate?? Stick to whack it anywhere, cause you know nothing about the real gaa game :)"
'Whack it anywhere', Your head ? might knock some sense into you....

bloodandbandage (Cork) - Posts: 272 - 01/05/2019 14:57:56    2181287

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Ulster Championship will be covered by BBC either live or deferred"
This is a great! I thought BBC couldn't do live coverage if sky or RTE weren't live as well. Someone saw sense.

Surely this is the model for the future...BBC, TG4 or anyone else picking up games the big guns don't want to show. Plenty of good matches out there when teams are evenly matched.

There are really 5 slots in a weekend to televise games, Sat - 3pm (not ideal) 5pm 7pm and Sunday 2pm and 4pm. No reason all these slots couldn't be filled by one or other of the TV stations between hurling and football

himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 01/05/2019 16:15:56    2181303

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Division one Meath against the winner of both competition they in this year second rate?? Stick to whack it anywhere, cause you know nothing about the real gaa game :)"
Ahh come on Meath will be Div 1 next season but this spring Meath were Div 2 and Westmeath Div 3. I prefer football myself but lets be honest how can Meath v Westmeath compete with the intensity of a round robin hurling series? These hurling games will be better than last season as all the teams now realise the consequences, like Tipp last season if you struggle early on your season is over. This is the reason Waterford have pushed for home advantage.

Forget the national league - if football counties want media coverage they have to earn it by qualifying for their provincial finals or super 8's. RTE have decided the early part of the summer belongs to hurling and I think they've got it right as if it came down to watching Meath football or Munster hurling you'd find the vast majority would chose hurling - media companies will always give the public what they want.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 01/05/2019 17:52:47    2181322

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After reading the following article which came across as a 'football man' throwing out the dummy 'should hurling and football be split' because this year RTE has chosen to show as many hurling matches as football matches and therefore moved away from the way the author wants it to be. He/she highlights that RTE had got it all wrong showing 31 live GAA matches of which a possible 17 could be hurling matches (in the 17 matches the author includes the McD Cup Final, and two quarter finals that may not be shown as two football matches can be picked instead). Also he/she points out that the TV licence payers in Roscommon, Donegal, Kerry, etc. have been ignored (a Carlow hurling supporter sees less of their county than any of the three counties mentioned).

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/299267?county=National

Here's the facts, removing Dublin from the equation as it is a cosmopolitan county made up of people from all parts of Ireland as well as people originally from outside the RoI that would prefer to watch soccer than GAA. Also removing the six counties that don't pay TV licence to RTE. You are left with 25 counties. Adding up the population from ONLY the top 9 hurling teams (Dublin removed) the tables below indicate that the hurling/football split is closer than the spin the author suggests. Considering that Offaly, Laois, Westmeath could be counted as stronger hurling counties than football counties the population in hurling counties would be greater than in football counties. THEREFORE HAS SKY GOT IT WRONG THEN BY SHOWING SO MUCH FOOTBALL AND LITTLE OR NO HURLING????
Rank
1 Dublin
2 Cork 542,196
3 Galway 258,552
5 Limerick 195,175
7 Tipperary 160,441
9 Wexford 149,605
14 Clare 118,817
15 Waterford 116,401
16 Kilkenny 99,118
24 Carlow 56,875
Total 1,697,180

1 Dublin
4 Kildare 222,130
6 Meath 194,942
8 Donegal 158,755
10 Kerry 147,554
11 Wicklow 142,332
12 Mayo 130,425
13 Louth 128,375
17 Westmeath 88,770
18 Laois 84,732
19 Offaly 78,003
20 Cavan 76,092
21 Sligo 65,357
22 Roscommon 64,436
23 Monaghan 61,273
25 Longford 40,810
26 Leitrim 31,972
Total 1,715,958

Brian_Coyote (Antrim) - Posts: 346 - 19/05/2019 12:41:35    2185466

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "What potential big games are being missed out on? Its hard to please everyone.
I'd much rather watch a Munster hurling match than an early round provincial football match. Hard please everybody."
Absolutely! ...but then again I much prefer Leinster Hurling to Munster. Munster is pretty, high scoring, perfect when for when I introduce someone to the sport. The skills of the game are much more evident in Munster but it nearly always seems to be huge space around forwards leading to these really high scoring shootouts. It's all preference but I really enjoy the gritty hurling that Leinster provides. That said, Munster has produced some real crackers last year and so far this year. Waterford & Wex seem to play a bit more like a Leinster team at times. Love to see more Camogie, and the lower tier hurling competitions. Lower-tier does NOT mean lower quality. Some of the best club AI finals have been intermediate, even junior. That applies even more to camogie. For me, anything other than Rugby or Football but to each their own. Being a football site I'd guess I'm in a small minority. Football just reminds me of the pro American sports I grew up with before growing disgusted with.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 21/05/2019 12:37:10    2186265

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Replying To Gowran_Yank:  "Absolutely! ...but then again I much prefer Leinster Hurling to Munster. Munster is pretty, high scoring, perfect when for when I introduce someone to the sport. The skills of the game are much more evident in Munster but it nearly always seems to be huge space around forwards leading to these really high scoring shootouts. It's all preference but I really enjoy the gritty hurling that Leinster provides. That said, Munster has produced some real crackers last year and so far this year. Waterford & Wex seem to play a bit more like a Leinster team at times. Love to see more Camogie, and the lower tier hurling competitions. Lower-tier does NOT mean lower quality. Some of the best club AI finals have been intermediate, even junior. That applies even more to camogie. For me, anything other than Rugby or Football but to each their own. Being a football site I'd guess I'm in a small minority. Football just reminds me of the pro American sports I grew up with before growing disgusted with."
Included Wexford as a Munster team. Meant Limerick

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 96 - 21/05/2019 13:24:50    2186298

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Replying To Brian_Coyote:  "After reading the following article which came across as a 'football man' throwing out the dummy 'should hurling and football be split' because this year RTE has chosen to show as many hurling matches as football matches and therefore moved away from the way the author wants it to be. He/she highlights that RTE had got it all wrong showing 31 live GAA matches of which a possible 17 could be hurling matches (in the 17 matches the author includes the McD Cup Final, and two quarter finals that may not be shown as two football matches can be picked instead). Also he/she points out that the TV licence payers in Roscommon, Donegal, Kerry, etc. have been ignored (a Carlow hurling supporter sees less of their county than any of the three counties mentioned).

http://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/299267?county=National

Here's the facts, removing Dublin from the equation as it is a cosmopolitan county made up of people from all parts of Ireland as well as people originally from outside the RoI that would prefer to watch soccer than GAA. Also removing the six counties that don't pay TV licence to RTE. You are left with 25 counties. Adding up the population from ONLY the top 9 hurling teams (Dublin removed) the tables below indicate that the hurling/football split is closer than the spin the author suggests. Considering that Offaly, Laois, Westmeath could be counted as stronger hurling counties than football counties the population in hurling counties would be greater than in football counties. THEREFORE HAS SKY GOT IT WRONG THEN BY SHOWING SO MUCH FOOTBALL AND LITTLE OR NO HURLING????
Rank
1 Dublin
2 Cork 542,196
3 Galway 258,552
5 Limerick 195,175
7 Tipperary 160,441
9 Wexford 149,605
14 Clare 118,817
15 Waterford 116,401
16 Kilkenny 99,118
24 Carlow 56,875
Total 1,697,180

1 Dublin
4 Kildare 222,130
6 Meath 194,942
8 Donegal 158,755
10 Kerry 147,554
11 Wicklow 142,332
12 Mayo 130,425
13 Louth 128,375
17 Westmeath 88,770
18 Laois 84,732
19 Offaly 78,003
20 Cavan 76,092
21 Sligo 65,357
22 Roscommon 64,436
23 Monaghan 61,273
25 Longford 40,810
26 Leitrim 31,972
Total 1,715,958"
As a hurling man I'd really like to believe your " facts" but I'm afraid many of them are not facts at all!
You have designated Westmeath, Offaly, and Laois as hurling counties because in your opinion they are "stronger" at hurling than football. I wouldnt even agree with that but leaving that aside, even if you were right in this assertion and even if these counties are stronger on the field of play presently at hurling , it doesnt alter the REAL fact that the 3 counties mentioned are, and always have been, predominantly football counties in terms of playing numbers, clubs etc.
And remember, my own county, Galway, is half football and half hurling so it is disingenuous to nominate the whole county as just a hurling county.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1901 - 21/05/2019 13:35:53    2186305

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Plenty of people watch hurling, gaelic football and a load of other sports. County populations indicate nothing when a lot of people don't even watch the Sunday Game. What you need is a poll of Sunday Game viewers to see if they prefer hurling, football or no preference. The quality of coverage can always be improved and we could have more games covered, but compared two 2 semis and a final in both codes, just viewed on TV that was there before, we've great coverage. TG4 Player also very good watching back.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7325 - 21/05/2019 14:50:16    2186324

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