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To the above poster, Fermanagh have a far greater chance of winning Ulster then any team winning Leinster.

Royal dunne makes an interesting point and one I feel we'll be bringing up more over the years. Outside of Dublin how many active players possess a Leinster championship medal? Could we for the first time in history reach a situation in a few years where only Dublin players have a medal? That would be truly farcical.

Years ago I pioneered the idea of rotating Dublin around a different province each year to keep most Leinster counties something realistic to compete for. It was laughed out the door at the time. But each passing season as Dublin stroll to another easy title and everyone else looks further away then ever, that idea looks better and better and more people take it seriously.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 20/01/2019 15:04:01    2158396

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Here is a little fact for those who live outside of the province. ( Now I'm open to correction if there is one in Laois or Kildare but I don't think so ) In 2019 there will be a rare breed of inter country players with a Leinster senior football medal playing (or on panel ) of county . The number is 2, (if someone wants to tell me differently I am all for it as I didn't google this just from memory) Those nearly extinct species will be micky burke and graham Reilly of Meath , both in the autumn of their playing days. Now tell me what would they make of that out west or up north? How are any other county supposed to motivate their players when not one panel member has a Leinster senior medal? No wonder the fall off of players in Meath Kildare Westmeath Louth Laois Offaly is so high."
Interesting observation you make royaldunne. I didn't think about Dublin's dominance in that context.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2987 - 20/01/2019 15:39:20    2158407

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Replying To lilywhite1:  "Interesting observation you make royaldunne. I didn't think about Dublin's dominance in that context."
It's a sobering fact, and one until recently I hadn't thought of myself, It has a knock on effect, look while I would dearly love Meath to win Leinster over next few years, I feel it is as important to the game that some other county apart from dubs wins it, be that Kildare, longford, Carlow , Westmeath, Laois. The province is dying and until one of us beats Dublin it will only get worse.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/01/2019 16:15:08    2158421

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Replying To Jack_Goff:  "To the above poster, Fermanagh have a far greater chance of winning Ulster then any team winning Leinster.

Royal dunne makes an interesting point and one I feel we'll be bringing up more over the years. Outside of Dublin how many active players possess a Leinster championship medal? Could we for the first time in history reach a situation in a few years where only Dublin players have a medal? That would be truly farcical.

Years ago I pioneered the idea of rotating Dublin around a different province each year to keep most Leinster counties something realistic to compete for. It was laughed out the door at the time. But each passing season as Dublin stroll to another easy title and everyone else looks further away then ever, that idea looks better and better and more people take it seriously."
Fermanagh are 40-1 to win Ulster on betfair.

Meath and Kildare are both 14-1 on betfair to win Leinster. Now betting markets aren't always perfect and Meath/Kildare probably are shorter odds because of a tradition bias but it is still quite clear that Meath or Kildare both have a much better chance of winning the Leinster championship than Fermanagh have of winning Ulster.

Meath being on the opposite side of the draw to Dublin in Leinster and the nature of the qualifiers where Provincial finalists win 1 match to reach the super 8s means that Meath have a great chance of reaching the super 8s.

Fermanagh have Donegal and a likely quarterfinal against Tyrone to reach an Ulster final. More likely they'll enter round 1 of the qualifiers and have to negotiate 4 rounds to reach the super 8s.

The whoa is me guff that comes out of you is embarrassing.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4207 - 20/01/2019 16:15:11    2158422

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Replying To royaldunne:  "It's a sobering fact, and one until recently I hadn't thought of myself, It has a knock on effect, look while I would dearly love Meath to win Leinster over next few years, I feel it is as important to the game that some other county apart from dubs wins it, be that Kildare, longford, Carlow , Westmeath, Laois. The province is dying and until one of us beats Dublin it will only get worse."
Agree. Kildare and Meath are constantly mentioned in the media as the two best placed teams to oust Dublin. I hope that one of us can do it in the next few years. And that will give encouragement to all other Leinster teams.
It would be great to see Leinster truly competitive again.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 2987 - 20/01/2019 16:27:59    2158431

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Replying To royaldunne:  "
Replying To TheUsername:  "[quote=lilywhite1:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "You said:

"Kilkenny have as about as much interest in football as the Unionists have in no border on our Island."

That, besides your ignorance, is a huge insult to the players,; children and adults of both sexes, who regularly play football in Kilkenny. Every GAA club in Kilkenny have both hurling and football teams at all ages."
I'm not insulting anybody in Kilkenny who plays football. The fact is that Kilkenny co board have no interest in fielding a senior championship team. Hurling takes precedence over football. Prove otherwise."
Ross Munnelly I think."]He may have a Leinster medal. As I said I'm open to correction but that's 3 out of 300+ players. Again the comparison with Fermanagh is different, as there is plenty of people outside of say Tyrone still playing who has ulster medals, at least they can dream to achieve. Same with mayo in the West. There is Roscommon lads with medals as there is Galway, but within the next few years there won't be one Leinster player outside of dubs still playing who has a provincial medal."]I take what you are saying on board, I hadn't thought about that before.

For me it shows just how much there is a need a structural change to the Championship.

It must be the same in Munster at this stage, with only playing Kerrymem having Munster Medals.

So essentially tonky 50% of those playing in championship have a realistic chance of a provincial medal.

For me it's time to scrap the provincials, they have gone the way of the railway cup.

Serious question though largely to Kildare and Meath lads, have you given up hope of ever beating Dublin again?

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Would you be happy with wrapping up and scrapping the Leinster Championship?

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 20/01/2019 16:28:28    2158432

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Replying To TheUsername:  "
Replying To royaldunne:  "[quote=TheUsername:  "[quote=lilywhite1:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  "You said:

"Kilkenny have as about as much interest in football as the Unionists have in no border on our Island."

That, besides your ignorance, is a huge insult to the players,; children and adults of both sexes, who regularly play football in Kilkenny. Every GAA club in Kilkenny have both hurling and football teams at all ages."
I'm not insulting anybody in Kilkenny who plays football. The fact is that Kilkenny co board have no interest in fielding a senior championship team. Hurling takes precedence over football. Prove otherwise."
Ross Munnelly I think."]He may have a Leinster medal. As I said I'm open to correction but that's 3 out of 300+ players. Again the comparison with Fermanagh is different, as there is plenty of people outside of say Tyrone still playing who has ulster medals, at least they can dream to achieve. Same with mayo in the West. There is Roscommon lads with medals as there is Galway, but within the next few years there won't be one Leinster player outside of dubs still playing who has a provincial medal."]I take what you are saying on board, I hadn't thought about that before.

For me it shows just how much there is a need a structural change to the Championship.

It must be the same in Munster at this stage, with only playing Kerrymem having Munster Medals.

So essentially tonky 50% of those playing in championship have a realistic chance of a provincial medal.

For me it's time to scrap the provincials, they have gone the way of the railway cup.

Serious question though largely to Kildare and Meath lads, have you given up hope of ever beating Dublin again?

And

Would you be happy with wrapping up and scrapping the Leinster Championship?"]Given up hope? No. Its built into Meath football to aspire to beat the Dubs and knock them off a pedestal. Its the foundation of all sucess in Meath GAA. Cant speak for Kildare. However, the way the game has evolved and is evolving, it needs radical overhaul and the romanticised "days of olde" when Meath v Dublin, Kerry v Cork for example was a genuine spectacle and meant something to the people and players in those counties is long over. The interest levels in Leinster have plummeted through the floor due to the GAA's financial and social backing of Dublin over a prolonged period of time and also due to localised issues within counties such as player retention, emigration, and simply lack of motivation. Dublin are also experiencing a modern golden age which coincides with the worst era in maybe 100 years for Meath, Kildare are much closer to Dublin at the minute. Id personally be in favour of scrapping all of the provincial championships, sadly the appeal is gone and has been gone for the better part of 20 years. Ulster has some appeal and Connacht to an extent but Leinster is dead, and has declined into a very damp squib where Dublin could realistically meet any other Leinster county in front of 40/50,000 to win the Delaney and forget about it a few weeks later.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 587 - 20/01/2019 17:08:21    2158449

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