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were told they had to play 2 games in 24 hours.
but those clubs,sure they dont matter.they are only useful for fundraising sure and when the county team are beaten.
and then the gaa wonder why players quit the game.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3045 - 30/10/2018 15:42:58    2148743

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Replying To perfect10:  "were told they had to play 2 games in 24 hours.
but those clubs,sure they dont matter.they are only useful for fundraising sure and when the county team are beaten.
and then the gaa wonder why players quit the game."
The Wicklow county board has gone on to explain why, while boasting how well their schedule worked. Not one word of regret that a team had to play two games in 24 hours irrespective of any reasoning. Then they made a half hearted attempt to shift the blame to Rhode a team not under their jurisdiction without any explanation. The jest of their excuse is that draws are not figured in and overtime is not provided for. Is this not a short coming by them and what they are elected to provide for?
County boards and the hierarchy of the GAA are going to kill our sports by smothering the club game. Ten years and it will be gone with the young players gone to other sports that are properly organized. We are told that these legislators are put in place by the club members. However they ignore the best interests of the club player and become brain dead once elected.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 02/11/2018 15:04:26    2149276

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Replying To Canuck:  "The Wicklow county board has gone on to explain why, while boasting how well their schedule worked. Not one word of regret that a team had to play two games in 24 hours irrespective of any reasoning. Then they made a half hearted attempt to shift the blame to Rhode a team not under their jurisdiction without any explanation. The jest of their excuse is that draws are not figured in and overtime is not provided for. Is this not a short coming by them and what they are elected to provide for?
County boards and the hierarchy of the GAA are going to kill our sports by smothering the club game. Ten years and it will be gone with the young players gone to other sports that are properly organized. We are told that these legislators are put in place by the club members. However they ignore the best interests of the club player and become brain dead once elected."
You really need to learn how the gaa works, oh and while you are at it, read the Wicklow statement on this again slowly. Everything you need to know is in there.

Tadhgmacda (Limerick) - Posts: 89 - 03/11/2018 17:15:26    2149420

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Replying To Tadhgmacda:  "You really need to learn how the gaa works, oh and while you are at it, read the Wicklow statement on this again slowly. Everything you need to know is in there."
I know how the GAA works for 60 years from within and outside and doubt if you could teach me anything new. There was not a word of empathy towards the team, only an attempt to justify the injustice and do a Pontus Pilot from their stance. You are right everything anyone needs to know is in their statement on how to abdicate responsibility. The same thing happened to Stradbally some years ago. Some of the best footballers in Munster never wore the Waterford jersey again.
The GAA needs to take care of its assets while they still have them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 03/11/2018 21:42:30    2149452

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Replying To Canuck:  "I know how the GAA works for 60 years from within and outside and doubt if you could teach me anything new. There was not a word of empathy towards the team, only an attempt to justify the injustice and do a Pontus Pilot from their stance. You are right everything anyone needs to know is in their statement on how to abdicate responsibility. The same thing happened to Stradbally some years ago. Some of the best footballers in Munster never wore the Waterford jersey again.
The GAA needs to take care of its assets while they still have them."
Can Counties like Wicklow and Waterford not finish their club championships earlier than the end of October seen they are out of the All Ireland series in June.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 776 - 03/11/2018 22:11:35    2149457

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Can Counties like Wicklow and Waterford not finish their club championships earlier than the end of October seen they are out of the All Ireland series in June."
I think that is a fair question. Wicklow have been out of football and hurling since early June.. What took them so long to finish up?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3662 - 03/11/2018 23:44:41    2149467

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Can Counties like Wicklow and Waterford not finish their club championships earlier than the end of October seen they are out of the All Ireland series in June."
Exactly. No excuse for their champions to have to play two games in 24 hours.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 04/11/2018 13:20:43    2149491

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Replying To Canuck:  "Exactly. No excuse for their champions to have to play two games in 24 hours."
When a county team is eliminated makes little difference. The club fixtures are made long before that date is known. Some counties used to say that club championship would start 2 weeks after the county team were eliminated but club players were not happy with that as they couldn't be sure when their first championship game would be.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2232 - 04/11/2018 14:15:24    2149494

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its not just wicklow though lads,wexford didnt play a 2nd round of hurling and football in april because the county hurling team were away on that 'bonding weekend' (not to be confused with training weekend) and the football team had a practice match.
tipp didnt start their club matches until the j1 students came back.
so there is culpability on all sides,players,clubs and county boards for not being firmer and saying matches are going ahead end of story

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3045 - 05/11/2018 10:18:37    2149598

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Replying To Soma:  "When a county team is eliminated makes little difference. The club fixtures are made long before that date is known. Some counties used to say that club championship would start 2 weeks after the county team were eliminated but club players were not happy with that as they couldn't be sure when their first championship game would be."
When the inter county championships were knockout the same sh-t was going on. County finals in November. Clubs getting games off because someones aunty Josie was in America.
What utter nonsense that counties would do their scheduling as if they are all going to be in the All Ireland final. Then when knocked out early would be tied to that schedule and wait for 3 months to play games. How about alternative scheduling. The schedule may see you in action on at least two alternative dates. The smart clubs will get ready anyway.
Too much demand for players. I have said it before. Scrap the league. Start the championship that is a league anyway in March finishing in June. The jewel in the crown which is the club games knows its season then. Or visa versa start the club scene in March finishing in June and let the inter county go at it until October. This will never happen because of the money.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 06/11/2018 21:22:59    2149973

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Replying To Canuck:  "When the inter county championships were knockout the same sh-t was going on. County finals in November. Clubs getting games off because someones aunty Josie was in America.
What utter nonsense that counties would do their scheduling as if they are all going to be in the All Ireland final. Then when knocked out early would be tied to that schedule and wait for 3 months to play games. How about alternative scheduling. The schedule may see you in action on at least two alternative dates. The smart clubs will get ready anyway.
Too much demand for players. I have said it before. Scrap the league. Start the championship that is a league anyway in March finishing in June. The jewel in the crown which is the club games knows its season then. Or visa versa start the club scene in March finishing in June and let the inter county go at it until October. This will never happen because of the money."
fully agree with every word of that

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3045 - 07/11/2018 08:50:35    2150001

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Replying To Canuck:  "When the inter county championships were knockout the same sh-t was going on. County finals in November. Clubs getting games off because someones aunty Josie was in America.
What utter nonsense that counties would do their scheduling as if they are all going to be in the All Ireland final. Then when knocked out early would be tied to that schedule and wait for 3 months to play games. How about alternative scheduling. The schedule may see you in action on at least two alternative dates. The smart clubs will get ready anyway.
Too much demand for players. I have said it before. Scrap the league. Start the championship that is a league anyway in March finishing in June. The jewel in the crown which is the club games knows its season then. Or visa versa start the club scene in March finishing in June and let the inter county go at it until October. This will never happen because of the money."
So you think the club season running for 4 months, from March-June, would be better than the current situation? Club players finished their season before the longest day of the year and nothing to train for or play in July, August and September? All done in 18 weeks, club football and hurling? A nice way of describing your solution is that at least you are thinking outside the box!

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2232 - 07/11/2018 10:24:12    2150025

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Replying To Soma:  "So you think the club season running for 4 months, from March-June, would be better than the current situation? Club players finished their season before the longest day of the year and nothing to train for or play in July, August and September? All done in 18 weeks, club football and hurling? A nice way of describing your solution is that at least you are thinking outside the box!"
You will never please everyone because each player, club and county want to suit themselves when they play. . However if you have a defined club season, county' and closed season that would sort it out. To do this some of the competitions would need to go. Some of the grades that players double up would have to be curtailed. All this is not to penalize players or take from the entertainment but to protect the health of amateur players. Us the public do not want to give any thing to up. So in general you must draw from that we do not care about the well being of the players. The word is called greed.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 08/11/2018 14:55:00    2150218

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Replying To Canuck:  "You will never please everyone because each player, club and county want to suit themselves when they play. . However if you have a defined club season, county' and closed season that would sort it out. To do this some of the competitions would need to go. Some of the grades that players double up would have to be curtailed. All this is not to penalize players or take from the entertainment but to protect the health of amateur players. Us the public do not want to give any thing to up. So in general you must draw from that we do not care about the well being of the players. The word is called greed."
I think you have lost the plot on this a bit, the Wicklow county champions didn't play 2 games in 2 days because its what the public demanded! They done so because trying to provide meaningful games for all players in 2 codes is a very delicate balancing act. Playing 2 days in a row increases the risk of injury and stops players playing to their potential but I'm not sure it's as serious a health risk as you make out. Interestingly what might have helped was having a ground with floodlights available, sadly though that costs a lot of money and while many counties have floodlights I don't think Wicklow do. Hopefully they can find the extra revenue to afford them soon.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2232 - 08/11/2018 18:46:13    2150271

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Replying To Soma:  "I think you have lost the plot on this a bit, the Wicklow county champions didn't play 2 games in 2 days because its what the public demanded! They done so because trying to provide meaningful games for all players in 2 codes is a very delicate balancing act. Playing 2 days in a row increases the risk of injury and stops players playing to their potential but I'm not sure it's as serious a health risk as you make out. Interestingly what might have helped was having a ground with floodlights available, sadly though that costs a lot of money and while many counties have floodlights I don't think Wicklow do. Hopefully they can find the extra revenue to afford them soon."
Not just health, family life, careers, relationships etc. Also employers sooner or later are going to come down on the value they are getting from inter county players and the fairness to the rest of their work force. Some have already noted this from county players who train at 6 a.m. come to work. Some doing mid day sessions and again at 5 or 6 p.m. The day after a match in recovery not at work. How do you think that is going now playing four weeks in a row ?
All I am saying is a balance is required to maintain are great games. Anyone who does not admit that there is a problem compared to 40 or 50 years ago is in denial.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 407 - 09/11/2018 14:52:31    2150399

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