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Replying To Whammo86: "There would be a large number of unionists playing for the Ireland hockey team. As with the rugby for the sake of inclusivity it is right that Ireland's call be played." I get your point, but beg to disagree on giving that song the status of our national anthem. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1740 - 06/08/2018 19:18:12 2130131 Link
I don't mind Irelands call but I object to the fact that it has no Gaelic in it. Níl aon Gaeilge ann. This is not nice and it downgrades the Gaelic language and the Irish republic. Amhran na bhFiann has served this country well. Slán galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 06/08/2018 19:25:29 2130136 Link
Replying To thelongridge: "I get your point, but beg to disagree on giving that song the status of our national anthem." It's a terrible song but you just shouldn't play Amhrán na bhFiann. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 06/08/2018 19:45:40 2130147 Link
Replying To galwayford: "I don't mind Irelands call but I object to the fact that it has no Gaelic in it. Níl aon Gaeilge ann. This is not nice and it downgrades the Gaelic language and the Irish republic. Amhran na bhFiann has served this country well. Slán" I think that was the general idea as not to offend some of our rugby 'friends' up north! realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 06/08/2018 21:09:38 2130179 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "It's a terrible song but you just shouldn't play Amhrán na bhFiann." He who pays the piper calls the tune. Republic of Ireland tax payers pay for Irish hockey and rugby. So they should respect this fact imho. galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 06/08/2018 21:13:19 2130181 Link
Replying To galwayford: "He who pays the piper calls the tune. Republic of Ireland tax payers pay for Irish hockey and rugby. So they should respect this fact imho." Maybe they play Amhrán na bhFiann at Ireland home games? In any case, I don't like Ireland's call either but it's great that it's an All Ireland team. county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 06/08/2018 21:50:37 2130205 Link
By the way someone on RTE mentioned teams lining up for the anthems before the match. Since when is Ireland's Call our anthem ? thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 874 - 06/08/2018 12:24:01 2129943 Right; let me try and clear some ignorance you seem to have. They are not "our " team (The Republic of Ireland). The team, just like rugby (and others), are made up of players from the 32 counties of the whole of Ireland, which includes the six counties which are part of the UK. That makes Amhrán na bhFiann inappropriate On the subject of anthems, why isn't God Save the Queen not played at Croke Park (or other grounds) when any of the six counties of Northern Ireland play? Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2458 - 06/08/2018 22:13:48 2130223 Link
Replying To realdub: "I think that was the general idea as not to offend some of our rugby 'friends' up north!" Fair enough but why ban the Irish language.....is that not political as well? To keep Unionism happy? witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 07/08/2018 08:12:21 2130290 Link
Replying To Cockney_Cat: "By the way someone on RTE mentioned teams lining up for the anthems before the match. Since when is Ireland's Call our anthem ? thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 874 - 06/08/2018 12:24:01 2129943 Right; let me try and clear some ignorance you seem to have. They are not "our " team (The Republic of Ireland). The team, just like rugby (and others), are made up of players from the 32 counties of the whole of Ireland, which includes the six counties which are part of the UK. That makes Amhrán na bhFiann inappropriate On the subject of anthems, why isn't God Save the Queen not played at Croke Park (or other grounds) when any of the six counties of Northern Ireland play?" I don't have any ignorance thank you. If you want to see ignorance take a look in the mirror. You know that God save the Queen, won't be played at GAA games in Croke Park. Any team representing Ireland is to me and most people an Irish team, even if it includes players of different traditions. I don't like Ireland's Call, like a lot of people but it I am aware of tne reason for it. thelongridge (Offaly) - Posts: 1740 - 07/08/2018 11:22:07 2130355 Link
Replying To witnof: "Fair enough but why ban the Irish language.....is that not political as well? To keep Unionism happy?" There's no ban on the Irish language. Just a little bit of an acknowledgement that you wouldn't want to alienate members of a team going out to represent Ireland. Any words were added by the participants, there was no singer belting out any English. The music to amhrán na bhfiann is not appropriate for that team. In the same way God Save Our Queen isn't actually appropriate for a Northern Ireland soccer team. They still play it, I have no sympathy for them then when they lose players to the Irish team. A bit of thought and respect for others should be the priority rather than enforced shows of Nationalism. If there ever were to be a United Ireland it would have to be inclusive and respectful to Northern Irish unionists as they'd be a very important part of the country also. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 07/08/2018 11:32:44 2130360 Link
Replying To galwayford: "I don't mind Irelands call but I object to the fact that it has no Gaelic in it. Níl aon Gaeilge ann. This is not nice and it downgrades the Gaelic language and the Irish republic. Amhran na bhFiann has served this country well. Slán" Something like Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika (God Bless Africa) which combines the languages of both sections of the population. BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 07/08/2018 11:36:52 2130363 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "There's no ban on the Irish language. Just a little bit of an acknowledgement that you wouldn't want to alienate members of a team going out to represent Ireland. Any words were added by the participants, there was no singer belting out any English. The music to amhrán na bhfiann is not appropriate for that team. In the same way God Save Our Queen isn't actually appropriate for a Northern Ireland soccer team. They still play it, I have no sympathy for them then when they lose players to the Irish team. A bit of thought and respect for others should be the priority rather than enforced shows of Nationalism. If there ever were to be a United Ireland it would have to be inclusive and respectful to Northern Irish unionists as they'd be a very important part of the country also." The majority of people in the North of Ireland are Nationalist- not Unionist. The recent Brexit referendum showed this. Gaelic is a part of their identity and culture. So basically what you are saying is the Ulster Unionists and their Southern counterparts, have a special place or special privleges. They are like "Royalty" in other words. Cén fáth? galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 07/08/2018 17:31:17 2130528 Link
I repeat, Aviva stadium was built by Irish government money - 190 million euros in fact. Not by British or Northern Ireland unionist money. So why disrespect the Irish language of the Republic? Slán galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 07/08/2018 17:33:37 2130529 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "There's no ban on the Irish language. Just a little bit of an acknowledgement that you wouldn't want to alienate members of a team going out to represent Ireland. Any words were added by the participants, there was no singer belting out any English. The music to amhrán na bhfiann is not appropriate for that team. In the same way God Save Our Queen isn't actually appropriate for a Northern Ireland soccer team. They still play it, I have no sympathy for them then when they lose players to the Irish team. A bit of thought and respect for others should be the priority rather than enforced shows of Nationalism. If there ever were to be a United Ireland it would have to be inclusive and respectful to Northern Irish unionists as they'd be a very important part of the country also." I have issue accomadating Unionism. Amhran na bhFiann is as Nationalist as GSTQ so can understand the objections. So why no Irish? The native language. Speaking in English to acknowledge Unionism I have no issue with. Were I have an issue is that there is no Irish also to acknowledge Unionism. Why? witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 07/08/2018 19:25:59 2130572 Link
Replying To galwayford: "I repeat, Aviva stadium was built by Irish government money - 190 million euros in fact. Not by British or Northern Ireland unionist money. So why disrespect the Irish language of the Republic? Slán" The game was played in London? Where was the disrespect shown? Your attitude has strands similar to those who want to walk the "Queen's Highway" through nationalist areas on the 12th. I don't like your brand of Irish nationalism. I don't need to make others uncomfortable to be happy in my identity. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 07/08/2018 19:34:28 2130575 Link
Replying To witnof: "I have issue accomadating Unionism. Amhran na bhFiann is as Nationalist as GSTQ so can understand the objections. So why no Irish? The native language. Speaking in English to acknowledge Unionism I have no issue with. Were I have an issue is that there is no Irish also to acknowledge Unionism. Why?" What are you talking about. There's no words to an instrumental piece. So there was nothing English or Irish officially sang. The team sang the song, which as far as I'm aware only has an English version. Where's the problem here? Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4215 - 07/08/2018 19:52:49 2130578 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "What are you talking about. There's no words to an instrumental piece. So there was nothing English or Irish officially sang. The team sang the song, which as far as I'm aware only has an English version. Where's the problem here?" Should have written 'no issue' in the first line about. My question is why have rugby, cricket, hockey chosen to sing a song (and it is just a song not an anthem) in English. There are a number of examples of countries with more than one language in their national hymns (New Zeland, South Africa etc), so why have these sports chosen to ignore the native language? Remember it was the IRFU that commissioned Ireland's Call so they could have asked for a verse in the native language. Why did they not do you think? witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 08/08/2018 08:02:29 2130699 Link
Replying To witnof: "Should have written 'no issue' in the first line about. My question is why have rugby, cricket, hockey chosen to sing a song (and it is just a song not an anthem) in English. There are a number of examples of countries with more than one language in their national hymns (New Zeland, South Africa etc), so why have these sports chosen to ignore the native language? Remember it was the IRFU that commissioned Ireland's Call so they could have asked for a verse in the native language. Why did they not do you think?" Maybe Phil Coulter couldn't speak Irish. ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 09/08/2018 07:45:18 2131101 Link
Replying To galwayford: "I repeat, Aviva stadium was built by Irish government money - 190 million euros in fact. Not by British or Northern Ireland unionist money. So why disrespect the Irish language of the Republic? Slán" Wrong. "The total cost of building the Aviva was €411m, out of this, the Government injected 191m of the taxpayer's money, and the remaining amount, €220m, is to be paid by the co-owners of the stadium, the IRFU and the FAI." http://www.theliberty.ie/2010/10/19/the-real-cost-of-the-aviva-stadium/ Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2458 - 09/08/2018 23:05:59 2131386 Link

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