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what are these alternative facts..obviously there is an anti gaa brigade just as much as there is an anti soccer brigade especially among those higher up in the gaa..do you deny this?...the gaa have made themselves easy targets so no sympathy for them"]Duff make millions off soccer whilst the GAA millions go into the game Maybe we should also compare the amount of money the GAA raises year in and year out for charity.....don't see people shouting about it. I thought the GAA should have agreed to open PUC on one condition : Not one poxy soccer player gets expenses or appearance money!! All the monies to go to charity, bar admin costs."]What money does the GAA raise every year for charity?"]http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-announces-list-official-charities-138992/ Every year they pick up to 5 charities and donate money plus help them raise awareness. And there is much more at provincial and county level. In Parnell Park you pay whatever you want for the programs for club games and the money is donated to charity. And so on. But you never hear of this......put some Premier League numpty donate's a days wages etc we know all about it. Zero balance to this agrument"]Yes the GAA do some work for charity but it is a pittance compared to what they receive from the taxpayer. they are net gainers not net donors so the moral high ground is impossible in instances where arguments are made about what they do compared to others re charity. Bottom line. A soccer player died and left a young family behind. There is a perfect stadium in his home city that could be used. Are there figures out there relating to what the taxpayer donated in redeveloping the stadium anywhere? Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 26/07/2018 14:49:16 2126441 Link 0 |
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I think you will find that is what's happening to the GAA so people are simply looking for some balance.....hard to take lectures from a sport which top to bottom is full of mercenaries.......
PaudieSull1 (Down) - Posts: 738 - 26/07/2018 15:28:53 2126451 Link 2 |
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And no amount of whataboutery will change the fact that Duff dragged this argument into the gutter. Should have kept his trap shut if that's all he had to add.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 26/07/2018 15:58:42 2126459 Link 2 |
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your not looking for balance though...your looking to deflect from the issue...this is all about the gaa acting in the wrong on this issue...yes or no?...deal with the topic
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:01:00 2126461 Link 0 |
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yeah lets pretend like he wasnt stating the obvious or others havent used it to have a pop at soccer...
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:01:31 2126462 Link 0 |
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gaa has plenty of mercenaries itself for a sport of its size which is supposed to be amateur...and theyv no issue letting concerts or foreign sports take precedence over their own competitions for a few bob....look at the amount of lads permanently getting paid to manage teams club & county....what has soccer players earning money got to do with anything?..he is talking about the gaa hierarchy..not people in the gaa..why are you rushing to defend them?
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:04:13 2126464 Link 0 |
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and what exactly have you added?..so only certain people are allowed speak now is it?...damien duff has as much a right to say anything as anyone else.
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:05:25 2126465 Link 1 |
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what are these alternative facts..obviously there is an anti gaa brigade just as much as there is an anti soccer brigade especially among those higher up in the gaa..do you deny this?...the gaa have made themselves easy targets so no sympathy for them"]Duff make millions off soccer whilst the GAA millions go into the game Maybe we should also compare the amount of money the GAA raises year in and year out for charity.....don't see people shouting about it. I thought the GAA should have agreed to open PUC on one condition : Not one poxy soccer player gets expenses or appearance money!! All the monies to go to charity, bar admin costs."]What money does the GAA raise every year for charity?"]http://www.gaa.ie/news/gaa-announces-list-official-charities-138992/ Every year they pick up to 5 charities and donate money plus help them raise awareness. And there is much more at provincial and county level. In Parnell Park you pay whatever you want for the programs for club games and the money is donated to charity. And so on. But you never hear of this......put some Premier League numpty donate's a days wages etc we know all about it. Zero balance to this agrument"]I agree with that but why doesn't someone in GAA marketing publicise this and get some good news stories from it?"]A second ago you were questioning what money the gaa raises for charity????? Typical of this debate, not dealing in facts and allowing emotion to frame the debate.....nobody in gaa circles doesn't have smypathy for the Miller family or want to help but there are ways to doing these things not the megaphone diplomacy engaged in by a few mercenaries in recent days......why doesn't Damian Duff gift the money he took through the years for representing his country to the charity if he is so sincere?"]you do understand most of his money came from playing for clubs?..do players even take their match fees for international football?..the england lads donate them to charity anyway....you arent offering any facts...your argument is a pub argument...attacking someone because they were good enough to make money from a professional sport...some argument that is...why doesnt the gaa do the right thing?..explain that.. alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:08:00 2126466 Link 0 |
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What did Duff say that dragged anything into the gutter? If the GAA don't want to be portrayed as out of touch dinosaurs then they shouldn't make the decisions that make them look like out of touch dinosaurs. I mean they're not allowing a Cancer Charity Event in memory of a former GAA member and soccer player to take place in Páirc Uí Chaoimh for no apparent reason other than pettiness because it will be a different code being played. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 26/07/2018 16:18:59 2126474 Link 1 |
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The best of luck to any soccer player who puts everything including education to the background and backs themselves to become a professional in the game they love. It's a big risk to take and most never make it. I've no time for the likes of Ozil, loads of skills and only does it when he feels like it or those happy to be sub's on big contracts but big time soccer has crazy money. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7336 - 26/07/2018 16:20:25 2126476 Link 3 |
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but its an easy dig at soccer all the while the same people and their county and probably their club pays their manager and backroom team...
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 16:27:19 2126478 Link 2 |
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You are ignoring certain issues pertaining to this yourself. 1. The organisers of the match handled the issue poorly. Subsequent to their meeting with the Cork County Board, from whom they got a very sympathetic hearing, they should have contacted the leadership of the GAA most particularly John Horan. The matter would have been properly handled by both sides. This didn't happen and local politicians subsequently engaged in megaphone diplomacy over the airwaves thereby exacerbating the situation. 2. The soccer fraternity in this country have been severely compromised in their ambitions by the appalling failure of The FAI to properly invest the tens of millions of euro they have received over the years in decent facilities for their players and spectators. 3. You seem to think it is just a matter of The GAA saying open up Pairc Ui Chaoimh . It's a long way from being that simple . The vast majority of The GAA at all levels want this game to proceed in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. However The GAA have to proceed carefully in terms of framing the conditions under which the ground is opened . The GAA wish to retain control over the opening of their stadia and grounds and they are quite entitled to wish so. They have to ensure that the opening of Pairc Ui Chaoimh does not create a precedent that would leave the control they exercise over the opening of their stadia open to challenges in the courts. We are all fully aware of how opportunistic the legal profession in this country are when it comes to litigation. Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/07/2018 21:41:02 2126537 Link 0 |
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the gaa are happy to turn a blind eye in terms of the use of facilities and so on when it suits them....you are continuing to deflect from the issue..how is the fais failure to provide quality facilities related to the use of a 45k seater stadium which is a million miles away from anything the fai can afford or realistically pursue...what ambitions would they be?..can you explain what kind of size stadia do you expect a league of ireland team to have?turners cross is perfectly fine for a club of the size of cork city...you are ignoring how awful the gaa have behaved on the pr side in this situation..you are arguing like the classic county board official.....often the airwaves is a more effective way of doing things and its working seeing as the gaa have decided to meet the organisers now..
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 22:29:15 2126548 Link 0 |
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they have no issue rushing through rules and suspensions under media pressure in the past...tiernan mccann springs to mind....it would be quite easy to approve of the use of the stadia in this instance due to special circumstances....i know its easier to fine clubs over summer camps and so on..the usual bread and butter that the gaa hierarchy gets up to nowadays..
alano12 (Dublin) - Posts: 2208 - 26/07/2018 22:44:44 2126556 Link 0 |
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Tiernan McCann was suspended and his suspension was upheld . There are plenty of suspensions overturned on appeal . I've been involved in successful appeals. There is nothing simple in opening up Pairc Ui Chaoimh. I believe the game will take place in Pairc Ui Chaoimh. We both want that to happen . I just think you need to take a closer look at the issues that have arisen .
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 26/07/2018 23:34:38 2126580 Link 0 |
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Lads and lassies the whole thing has gone sour now between the arguing on here and an other post it is a sad reflection on life at the minute. This one blaming that one and that one blaming someone else and its everybody's fault. From the start this was organised very poorly, it was an untimely death that happened and fair enough a remembrance and fund raiser should and could of happened, but because this country is still so insecure about each other it could not happen without the side show that is taking place. Remember we all only life once no matter what impact we make on life, make the most of it and get on with it. I,m sure there are plenty of families out there along with mine that have suffered loses from cancer and suicide but we have to get on with life. so please dont allow this set up to be the way we remember an other young life lost to this horrible disease with the pettiness that has been shown on here over the last few days. Hopefully common sense will prevail mrsme (USA) - Posts: 172 - 27/07/2018 00:07:51 2126590 Link 1 |
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There is more than one issue involved . You just need to look at them . I am not deflecting . The FAI's failure to provide decent facilities across the length and breadth of the country is most certainly relevant. You are being an apologist for an organisation that has frittered away tens of millions of euro and has very little to show for it. The simple fact of the matter is the soccer fraternity in this country has been very badly let down and their ambitions have been hopelessly compromised. You are very conveniently ignoring the fact that the Galway County Board were able to host a benefit event for the family of Tony Keady last September. They didn't need any one else to help them. Had they needed a 32,000 capacity stadium they would have used their own in Galway City. You are correct when you say that the FAI don't need a 45,000 seater stadium. Nor does anyone have a divine right to use the 45,000 seater stadium of another association. The matter was poorly handled by the organisers who probably have minimal experience of situations like this. It was exploited by populist politicians who knew exactly what they were doing and who engaged in megaphone diplomacy. Megaphone diplomacy most certainly does not work. It is well known that the Cork County Board were very sympathetic to the people organising the event for Liam Miller's family and I have no doubt that had John Horan been contacted a resolution would have been arrived at. Sadly that did not happen . I agree with you that the GAA have not handled this well but they are not the only ones. I have already explained to you how careful the GAA have to be in relation to framing the circumstances for the opening of Pairc Ui Chaoimh for this event . There is nothing simple about it. Litigation is a very real danger . I hope you would agree with me when I say that the GAA should have control over the opening of their own grounds to other sports. Your analogy in relation to suspensions and appeals doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 27/07/2018 00:14:34 2126593 Link 0 |
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Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 28/07/2018 01:01:31 2126929 Link 0 |