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Game is becomig a farce with this keep ball perhaps it should be a one minute shot clock! ( see Basketball shot clock introduced to deal with exactly same issue) cjx (Tyrone) - Posts: 270 - 21/07/2018 22:17:49 2124434 Link
Replying To cjx: "Game is becomig a farce with this keep ball perhaps it should be a one minute shot clock! ( see Basketball shot clock introduced to deal with exactly same issue)" You need to tackle to get the ball back. There is no tackling in basketball, that's why there is a shot clock, to force a turnover. Should we do away with tackling also? If you sit with 15 men inside you're own 45 watching the opposition pass around in midfield then you don't deserve posessiin. You shoukd earn posessiin in a contact sport, not be gifted it via a shot clock to reward lack of endeavour. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 21/07/2018 22:55:24 2124445 Link
You need to tackle to get the ball back. There is no tackling in basketball, that's why there is a shot clock, to force a turnover. Should we do away with tackling also? If you sit with 15 men inside you're own 45 watching the opposition pass around in midfield then you don't deserve posessiin. You shoukd earn posessiin in a contact sport, not be gifted it via a shot clock to reward lack of endeavour. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3167 - 21/07/2018 22:55:24 The "tackle" in gaelic needs to be fixed/changed to improve the game. Whats in place at the moment does nobody any favours. DonaldDuck (Tipperary) - Posts: 544 - 21/07/2018 23:05:30 2124452 Link
Replying To Joxer: "You need to tackle to get the ball back. There is no tackling in basketball, that's why there is a shot clock, to force a turnover. Should we do away with tackling also? If you sit with 15 men inside you're own 45 watching the opposition pass around in midfield then you don't deserve posessiin. You shoukd earn posessiin in a contact sport, not be gifted it via a shot clock to reward lack of endeavour." If you look at it tacking in basketball is very like gaelic football reaching in and across often when seeking possession and deflecting passes with no shouldering but lots of contact Did you ever play basketball? Reading the arguments in their history its just like football now. Hand passing might as well be throwing with our refs so it is making keeping possession very easy and tackling is so ill defined frees are cheap easily got in the tackle. Shot clock would open up the game It is just boring right now in so many phases cjx (Tyrone) - Posts: 270 - 21/07/2018 23:18:29 2124461 Link
Replying To Joxer: "You need to tackle to get the ball back. There is no tackling in basketball, that's why there is a shot clock, to force a turnover. Should we do away with tackling also? If you sit with 15 men inside you're own 45 watching the opposition pass around in midfield then you don't deserve posessiin. You shoukd earn posessiin in a contact sport, not be gifted it via a shot clock to reward lack of endeavour." I think you'll find that apart from the shoulder to shoulder contact, tackling is the exact same in basketball. You are allowed to slap the ball out of an opponents hands. Anything other than that is just how GAA has evolved to ignore the actual rulebook. benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1422 - 21/07/2018 23:25:41 2124468 Link
You haven't thought this through: with a shot clock, all a defending team would have to do is cram everyone behind the 45 and wait for it to expire. The blanket is dead! Long live the blanket! Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 382 - 22/07/2018 01:56:16 2124523 Link
Replying To benjyyy: "I think you'll find that apart from the shoulder to shoulder contact, tackling is the exact same in basketball. You are allowed to slap the ball out of an opponents hands. Anything other than that is just how GAA has evolved to ignore the actual rulebook." No it's not the same, I've played basketball. If you 'reach in' in basketball you give away a foul called a 'reaching in foul'. You can't wrestle a ball from the other player with one hand as you can in Gaelic, in fact you can only grab it cleanly with two hands for a 'jump ball' usually or whip away when being dribbled. Completely different. You want the ball in football, come and take it off me instead of sitting in your box, which is where the real problem lies. Invent a rule to keep players up the field, offside opposite rule. That would keep the space open. Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4700 - 22/07/2018 08:10:15 2124538 Link
I like it to be honest, its a reverse attacking blanket, genius really fair play Mr Gavin. Tyrone tried it at times last night as well in front of our own defense. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/07/2018 10:52:20 2124589 Link
The shotclock was introduced in basketball to speed up the game. 5 v 5 in a minimal contact sport on a smaller pitch in shorter games with timeouts, clock stopped for fouls, free throws etc. You're not comparing like-with-like. Joxer is right, why do this to incentivise a team that won't tackle? I think social media has a lot to do with this paralysis by analysis. Teams are fitter now, maybe more skilful though I'm not convinced about that but it's fundamentally the same game as when the great Dublin and Kerry teams played ball. A couple of defensive games and the internet panics, Twitter, Facebook, Whatsapp, Snapchat, Wotchamacallit go loola pointing the worst of everything. It's up to coaches and players to play more on the front foot, find ways around defensive structures. Possibly rule changes to incentivise attacking play like 2 points for a long range point from play. But I don't think getting players to rush their attempts at scores will improve things. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 22/07/2018 11:19:21 2124603 Link
My suggestion is that handpasses be limited to two in your own half. Once you go over this you can only kick pass in your own half. The rationale is that this will make it easier for the opposition to get the ball back from teams playing it around in their own half, but they will still have to make an effort to get it. I would also ban backpasses to the goalkeeper once the 2 handpasses have happened. You can pass the ball back, but the goalie cannot pick it up. He will have to hoof it up the field. A bit like Soccer. One of the advantages of this is that there is no need for another official to operate the shot clock. shaneShankill (Dublin) - Posts: 42 - 25/07/2018 13:40:05 2126092 Link
How about refs just let people tackle? First thing that the defending/losing team need to conquer is fitness and conditioning, we were out on our feet against the Dubs so it was really hard to even get close to them in those last few minutes. However when we did, Anthony Thompson put in a good tackle (imo) and it would've resulted in a turnover and maybe a goal chance with where it was on the pitch. Ref blew up for a free. I see a lot of soft enough frees now and it doesn't seem like defenders are allowed to tackle really. I think the biggest thing that needs looked at in Gaelic Football is the tackle regardless. How it's reffed, how it's coached, maybe trial an Aussie Rules type tackle to see how it impacts the game. The Dubs playing keep ball is irrelevant, there are very few teams talented enough to keep the ball in that way, you saw Monaghan and Tyrone attempt it to a degree but the skills and conditioning aren't at the same level of the Dubs in that regard. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 25/07/2018 14:31:52 2126115 Link
All that will happen with a shot clock is every player will get behind the ball even more than they already do and wait for time to run out, knowing they will be handed back possession without even having to tackle. I would be more in favour of at least 3 players from each team having to be in the other half at all times. It might stop the bunch defending and open up more space to attack through. Something has to change because some of what goes on is dire to watch. kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 25/07/2018 14:53:56 2126129 Link
Another one of the suggestions, along with limiting handpasses/must kick after a hand pass/can't play the ball back behind your half way line etc, that are designed to benefit teams playing with a blanket defence. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13707 - 25/07/2018 16:36:12 2126170 Link