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It's not true to say to say the GAA don't need to everywhere. Take Louth for instance. There's plans for Drogheda United to build a new ground, the GAA are building a new ground and Oriel Park is badly in need of redevelopment. That's two new stadia and a redevelopment job in what is the smallest county in the country. Could they not all combine and build a 10k-12k ground and each one save themselves some money that they could reinvest within themselves? Sounds like madness building 2 and a half new stadia all at the same time in a small county. A bit of joined up thinking could benefit everyone.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 02/08/2018 14:58:50 2128512 Link 1 |
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Dundalk is owned by Peak 6 an American investment firm with a share in Bournemouth FC. Not really sure what their game is with Dundalk unless it's for tax reasons or they're hoping the club can qualify regularly for European competition. Greengrass is a Louth man and knows the scoop. If there was to be an unlikely GAA soccer groundshare ever probably Drogheda is a better bet as the county grounds are there. Probably better though if the League of Ireland abandoned summer football.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 02/08/2018 20:30:48 2128595 Link 1 |
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Yeah fair point, I forgot Dundalk had been taken over. Not sure if that would rule out them taking part in a joint venture though. However given that Drogheda United and the GAA ground in drogheda are back to back, if they were both to relocate and sell their existing pitches they could raise a huge amount of the money required to build a ground share stadium. Won't happen though. Anyway no point in keeping repeating myself.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 02/08/2018 22:43:15 2128632 Link 1 |
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1.) Rugby and Soccer have no problem combining as the pitches are proportionally the same size this is not so with a GAA pitch which is huge compared to the two two- so unless you want oceans of space around the pitch you would need binoculars to watch the games. 2.) The AVIVA Stadium got more Govt money than Croke Park - I have still yet to see a GAA match or event taking place in it yet but I am sure this will happen given all the goodwill now floating around. 3.) The GAA has to put up a fair percentage of the cost of all stadiums and redevelopments to secure funding. 4.) The taxpayer HAS to fund the GAA/Ladies Football and Camogie sports who combined are a massive participation sport - what party who wanted to get elected would discriminate against a sports body of that size it is massive. Make no mistake they have to support the GAA or disappear into oblivion. 5.) The GAA doesn't have to accept any pre-conditions for public - they are not binding - I repeat what party or government body is going to upset the GAA and its affliates? Hands down the largest organisation in the country. Your statement "And the Aviva is doing ok from what I know about it so that model of sporting organisations combining to build one or two high standard facilities stands up to scrutiny" the AVIVA is not jointly owned, It is leased to a 50/50 soccer/rugby partnership for 60 years then the lease expires and the stadium reverts to the exclusive ownership of the IRFU. GAA has to look after itself first and foremost (no one else is looking after it) it has a powerful base and needs to exert that far more at both national and local level. Otherwise we will end up in the miserable state of league of Ireland soccer or indeed club rugby. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 02/08/2018 23:27:17 2128643 Link 1 |
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Indeed it would be interesting to own a ground with a partner (soccer club say Drogheda) who was owned by an American today and then by maybe a Saudi company the following week, followed by a Russian company the week after (no disrespect to the Russians who appear to be better organisers than most)- that would be great fun and a full-time job for a few dealing with the new comers. Maybe the soccer club could be owned by a vulture funds who would make a great partners!!!. browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/08/2018 01:36:03 2128651 Link 1 |
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You can exaggerate about binoculars if you want but its just that, exaggeration. Not too many complained watching soccer and rugby in Croker when the games were held there. Everyone had a pretty pleasant experience. I already said, if you read my posts, the GAA had self funded stadia and they could be left as is or rented out to create revenue for reinventing back into clubs and counties. You keep saying the GAA doesn't have to accept preconditions for public money yet that's exactly what they did and Ross, on behalf of the government which includes the largest party in the country, went on radio to remind them of those preconditions. If you think that played no part in the decision making process for the PUC game then you are naive. I know the Aviva arrangement, that doesn't mean the GAA in partnership with anyone else has to follow the same model. They can create any model they want into a binding contract and they would be set in stone. I'm sure a capable legal team could draw up such a contract. Look, you can find reasons to do something and reasons not to do something. If the will is there anything can be done. If it's not there then fair enough, let's carry on in poorer facilities then we could have.
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 03/08/2018 13:48:23 2128743 Link 1 |
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With the greatest of respect to Drogheda United I think you are confusing Drogheda United and Manchester United in that post!!
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 03/08/2018 13:51:12 2128744 Link 1 |
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Any soccer club can be bought and taken over. Galway united is in that process. Hope that does not confuse you.
browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 03/08/2018 14:19:36 2128746 Link 1 |
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Someone financial might post here to explain the gains for a US investment firm taking over Dundalk and Arabs taking over Galway United? Unless they're relocating both and building acconadation, hotels or shopping centres on Oriel Park and Terryland sites or it's for tax avoidance or it's Brexit-related.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 03/08/2018 15:01:17 2128759 Link 1 |
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Is it a Saudi, American or Russian takeover in Galway ? Because apparently League of Ireland soccer clubs are hot property!
kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 03/08/2018 15:08:56 2128760 Link 1 |