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Munster Football Is Dead And Buried

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Kerry won't win an all Ireland this year. They are Munster's sole representative in the Super 8 and a poor team.

Clare, Cork, Tipp poor.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 15/07/2018 17:50:50    2122204

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Season now hangs on the game v Monaghan in Clone now. Hyped up after two facile wins in Munster

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 15/07/2018 18:09:59    2122226

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Ah lads, waffle for the sake of waffle! ;-)

Galway have had a good year so far. The result is no surprise and obviously historic.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7822 - 15/07/2018 19:44:29    2122325

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Kerry won't win an all Ireland this year. They are Munster's sole representative in the Super 8 and a poor team.

Clare, Cork, Tipp poor."
Bit early for this post....they were deservedly beaten today but I suspect they underestimated Galway...I expect to see a very different Kerry next weekend....they will not be this bad again this year....

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 15/07/2018 19:57:10    2122336

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It's not too early for this post. Kerry were toothless against today and really lacked ambition and as the great hope to end Dublin's dominance they showed nothing. Midfield was dominated and that's where it will end, even if they pull it around Dublin are in a different league.
Tyrone is the only hope now, let's see, they were destroyed by Dublin last year.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 260 - 15/07/2018 20:40:55    2122368

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No doubt Kerry were poor today but can't see them playing that bad again. I think people have to factor in how many young lads Kerry had in their team today who were playing their first big senior match in Croke Park. It is going to take those lads 2/3 years to get up to the required level and Kerry supporters will need patience. Their whole season hinges on them winning in Clones which is a tough place to go.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 15/07/2018 20:51:02    2122381

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Can understand the tit for tat , but truth be told the Leinster topic was unwarranted condescending and unhelpful, there's big gaps between the top counties and everyone else regardless of location, but some will have with this topic , give it be prepared to take it

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 15/07/2018 20:59:43    2122389

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For weeks the 'Is Leinster Football Dead and Buried' thread has been running. Leinster have 2 teams in the Super 8, Munster 1 team. Kerry have been hyped up beyond belief and bar David Clifford were clueless today. In a week when Kildare made the All-Ireland U20 final it's about time the shoe was put on the other foot and we question Munster football's credentials.

The fact of the matter is bar Mayo, no county has put it up to Dublin in the championship since Donegal beat them in 2014.

So it's time to get rid of this silly rubbish about Leinster football's problem and accept it's a national one until Dublin are beaten in championship.

BliainanÁir (Laois) - Posts: 598 - 15/07/2018 22:07:02    2122419

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Jaysus the Kerry U21s lose a match against a team who are 2 years ahead of them in terms of development and suddenly they get slated. Munster Championship is no different to Leinster only provinces with 3 or more different winners in the last few years is Ulster and Connaught.
Kerry have dominated Munster football for over 135 years so it's long been buried.
Galway were exceptional in the league and in winning the Connaught title so that competitive action gave them the impetus today and they nullified a young Kerry team with a lot still to learn.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1709 - 15/07/2018 22:56:26    2122443

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Replying To BliainanÁir:  "Kerry won't win an all Ireland this year. They are Munster's sole representative in the Super 8 and a poor team.

Clare, Cork, Tipp poor."
Sure I said this at the start of the year , I said our team was young at that it'l take a few years and people kept saying we were contenders , I also said Dublin will win the allireland unabated and they will.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 15/07/2018 23:21:38    2122450

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "No doubt Kerry were poor today but can't see them playing that bad again. I think people have to factor in how many young lads Kerry had in their team today who were playing their first big senior match in Croke Park. It is going to take those lads 2/3 years to get up to the required level and Kerry supporters will need patience. Their whole season hinges on them winning in Clones which is a tough place to go."
You're fully right about factoring in how many young lady are in the team.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7822 - 15/07/2018 23:40:44    2122453

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Clare, Cork, and Tipp were poor in championship this year but had good league campaigns and easily stayed in Division 2. Over the last 3 seasons the three of them have performed well in championship.

Now to the real issue. Unlike the Munster hurling championship it is seeded and fixed for Kerry and Cork to dominate.

Had the Munster hurling championship remained seeded we would have Tipp vs Cork Munster finals most years just like Cork vs Kerry in Football. Thankfully that is not the case, the Munster hurling championship like the Ulster football championship is open and surprise, surprise they are the best provincial championships.

I think Connacht football championship is open too and competitive because of that.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 16/07/2018 17:12:54    2122821

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Clare, Cork, and Tipp were poor in championship this year but had good league campaigns and easily stayed in Division 2. Over the last 3 seasons the three of them have performed well in championship.

Now to the real issue. Unlike the Munster hurling championship it is seeded and fixed for Kerry and Cork to dominate.

Had the Munster hurling championship remained seeded we would have Tipp vs Cork Munster finals most years just like Cork vs Kerry in Football. Thankfully that is not the case, the Munster hurling championship like the Ulster football championship is open and surprise, surprise they are the best provincial championships.

I think Connacht football championship is open too and competitive because of that."
Provincial finalists are seeded and are given a bye to the semi-finals in the following year. Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford wanted that. Tipperary benefitted from that seeding last year having made the final the year before.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7822 - 16/07/2018 17:44:00    2122831

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Replying To legendzxix:  "Provincial finalists are seeded and are given a bye to the semi-finals in the following year. Clare, Limerick, Tipperary and Waterford wanted that. Tipperary benefitted from that seeding last year having made the final the year before."
Ah Legend,

Been a while since we rehearsed the Munster draw "seeding v fixed" polarity.
Paragon Bar, just off the Clones Diamond around noon on Sunday alright for you ?

Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 357 - 16/07/2018 19:30:33    2122872

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Legend is right. It wasn't seeded from 1991 until 2013 but even though the Munster council proposed it , probably because they were losing out on their Kerry Cork Munster final cash cow, and they weren't counting on Tipp improving the way they did ruining it for them in 2016 in any case, it couldn't be passed unless the majority of counties voted for it.

Kerry, Cork and bizarrely Limerick voted for it & Waterford abstained. Only Tipp & Clare voted against.
It was never explained internally why Limerick voted for it, it was like turkeys voting for Christmas, but people can speculate. Whatever the reason, it made it much harder for the 4 counties to make it to a Munster final.

That may well change for the Tipp & Clare footballers over the coming years though and I hope it does.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1102 - 16/07/2018 22:15:43    2122938

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Replying To county man:  "Legend is right. It wasn't seeded from 1991 until 2013 but even though the Munster council proposed it , probably because they were losing out on their Kerry Cork Munster final cash cow, and they weren't counting on Tipp improving the way they did ruining it for them in 2016 in any case, it couldn't be passed unless the majority of counties voted for it.

Kerry, Cork and bizarrely Limerick voted for it & Waterford abstained. Only Tipp & Clare voted against.
It was never explained internally why Limerick voted for it, it was like turkeys voting for Christmas, but people can speculate. Whatever the reason, it made it much harder for the 4 counties to make it to a Munster final.

That may well change for the Tipp & Clare footballers over the coming years though and I hope it does."
It should be advantageous to have a game under their belts before the semi-finals.

Losing Munster semi-finalists enter Qualifier Round 2. Seeding provincial finalists for a bye from the quarter-finals ensures that a team of a reasonable level enters Qualifier Round 2. In someways it's a wrap around championship. The bye from the quarter-finals / Qualifier Round 1 is earned on the field of play in the preceding year.

For years Munster has produced the only All Division 1 Provincial final and has produced 2 All-Munster All-Ireland finals. Things go in cycles. It's just the nature of things around here that some want to jump on it! ;-)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 7822 - 18/07/2018 17:47:20    2123563

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Cant believe these threads get airtime, I think I've seen similar about each province down the years.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 18/07/2018 18:43:01    2123578

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "Cant believe these threads get airtime, I think I've seen similar about each province down the years."
The Leinster version seemed to be a particular favourite on here. There was some amount of bull written on it.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts: 854 - 18/07/2018 23:17:10    2123643

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