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How Many Points Is Home Advantage Worth?

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Just wondering...

Any studies available for the 2018 Munster Final yet?"
Bit too soon, but I'm sure there must be some out now about every Leinster football final since 2011...

An exception doesn't prove a rule, what do they be teaching you up there in all them fancy Dublin Universities?

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 3760 - 12/07/2018 18:50:27    2121099

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Oh it worth about 5 All-Irelands in 7 years..."
That's brilliant :-)

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7391 - 12/07/2018 19:09:49    2121103

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Replying To bubba83:  "How much of an advantage do Kerry have playing only 2 games to reach the Super 8s compared to Donegal's 4?

If you're going to point out the unfairness of Dublin's two games in Croke Park, you should at least acknowledge the advantage Kerry have enjoyed for the past 134 years playing in a province with only 5 counties.

The championship has never been perfectly fair to all competing counties, Kerry should know that more than most."
Games? Training sessions more like.

Dubsfan28 (Dublin) - Posts: 1789 - 12/07/2018 19:13:18    2121105

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Replying To Dubsfan28:  "Games? Training sessions more like."
Yerra ya sure not every game can be an edge of the seat thriller like Dublin/Wicklow or Dublin/Wexford ;D

TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 3760 - 12/07/2018 19:51:57    2121115

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Studies show if you are a large country, with massive advantages you will allways beat a smaller country with less funding , someone forgot to tell Iceland and Croatia with a combined population of less than six million beating the mega rich English in the last two tournaments
Studies also show you will ignore this point through green and gold eye blindness or alternatively post off a smug one liner"
Nothing from the Kerry lads , need a map to find Croatia or Iceland , you were quick enough to comment earlier , when your finished backslapping for who can but up the next Dublin put down post perhaps you can explain why in sport one and one doesn't allways add up , but as it doesn't fit your profile and agenda , one trick pony's, completely devoid of anything else worthy of debate

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4883 - 12/07/2018 20:15:51    2121119

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Bit too soon, but I'm sure there must be some out now about every Leinster football final since 2011...

An exception doesn't prove a rule, what do they be teaching you up there in all them fancy Dublin Universities?"
You mean the ones that are full of students from the country?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 261 - 12/07/2018 21:13:26    2121145

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Replying To Damothedub:  "Nothing from the Kerry lads , need a map to find Croatia or Iceland , you were quick enough to comment earlier , when your finished backslapping for who can but up the next Dublin put down post perhaps you can explain why in sport one and one doesn't allways add up , but as it doesn't fit your profile and agenda , one trick pony's, completely devoid of anything else worthy of debate"
Replying to your self Damo?

Dude soccer and football are two different games, the soccer boys were playing in mostly neutral venues with impartial refs, would Iceland and Croatia have got those result in wembley with English refs?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7391 - 12/07/2018 21:17:55    2121147

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Replying To TheHermit:  "Yerra ya sure not every game can be an edge of the seat thriller like Dublin/Wicklow or Dublin/Wexford ;D"
Same two counties competing in Munster for the silverware for the past quarter of a century and one of those is a hurling county. Did somebody say something about fairness?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3170 - 12/07/2018 21:22:20    2121149

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Replying to your self Damo?

Dude soccer and football are two different games, the soccer boys were playing in mostly neutral venues with impartial refs, would Iceland and Croatia have got those result in wembley with English refs?"
Population and resources = success according to this forum neatly you haven't addressed that which if you'd read my posts you'd know where I was going , so we will try again Croatia Iceland v England now no spin answer the question is resources and population a guarantee of success ?

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 4883 - 12/07/2018 22:33:16    2121171

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Mayo v Galway?

Roscommon v Galway?

Meath v Tyrone?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 18340 - 12/07/2018 22:55:00    2121181

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The title of the thread is very straightforward. This thread is supposed to be a broader conversation. An argument is someone looking to be right. A conversation is to find out what is right.

Waterford hurlers can't use Nowlan Park, which would suit them as a home venue of choice outside of their own county. They were denied this due to it being outside of Munster and yet the Leinster final replay can take place in Thurles.

My understanding was that Croke Park started to be used for a Spring Series. This was in someways influenced to fend off the competition of Leinster rugby gaining more momentum?

As the years have rolled on, this has increased familiarity for the host team at the venue. This is a different dynamic to times prior to the Spring Series.

It's a conversation to be had. The Spring Series is seen as an important promotional event for the game in the capital.

When the qualifiers were first voted in, they wanted to grant home advantage to provincial champions as a reward in the quarter-finals. Clare succeeded at the time in gaining support to shoot down that part of the plan. They argued it would be unfair on them to travel to Killarney were they to negotiate the qualifiers and make the quarter-finals.

It was agreed at the time that a neutral venue would be used instead. This is why Kerry played an All-Ireland quarter-final and replay of the All-Ireland quarter-final in Thurles in 2001.

After that the GAA decided to bring the quarter-finals into Croke Park. There was no fuss about that at the time.

That was a different time however. That was prior to the Spring Series. If the Spring Series was in existence at that time, it's hard to know if that would have been agreed.

Donegal and Jimmy McGuinness have started a healthy discussion. It's right to take a step back and ask - how have we arrived at this current setup? Does anything need to change due to different circumstances?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5448 - 14/07/2018 10:16:38    2121506

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