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Well done to these Mayo girls about time too. Way way to many poor quality coaches in the women's game, time for the ladies to step themselves and drive these chancer's and spoofer's out of their game. Ladies have to put themselves, they are the players they are all that matters. If some loud mouth can't accept the criticism he dishes out then he loses the dressing room and THAT is his fault no one else. He should go gracefully instead of bad mouthing girls they can't all be wrong. The Mayo County board LOST its case when it illegally sanctioned the girls club, they too have to accept there part in this. What modern coach/manager has an attitude of "it;s my way or the highway"? utterly pathetic these are women not school kids. Everyone knows these girls abilities can the same be said for the management? As for the apologists, they are everywhere, players come first and that has to be the case. On a day when the GPA say's Inter-county players can devote up to 30 hours to compete at this level to then NOT to even be listened too? Listen on your bike mate. These ladies I applaud, it is great to see women becoming more assertive and more demanding the time and effort they are putting in they do at least deserve to be listened to and not stonewalled, and what a kick in backside for Mayo County board they went way beyond their remit in suspending a club, a shameful episode.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 18/09/2018 12:06:37    2142416

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Very odd to say the least.
Nothing said that wasn't already said and mention of "unsafe environment " ?
Obviously, not having anything added doesn't make their situation look that great but if it was an unsafe environment, then surely it wouldn't be just one club who had this view.
If there is a genuine reason then by all means , yes, but let's hear it. Otherwise it just looks like a case of " oh, I felt so unsafe , I'm a victim syndrome.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 18/09/2018 12:33:28    2142423

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Replying To arock:  "Well done to these Mayo girls about time too. Way way to many poor quality coaches in the women's game, time for the ladies to step themselves and drive these chancer's and spoofer's out of their game. Ladies have to put themselves, they are the players they are all that matters. If some loud mouth can't accept the criticism he dishes out then he loses the dressing room and THAT is his fault no one else. He should go gracefully instead of bad mouthing girls they can't all be wrong. The Mayo County board LOST its case when it illegally sanctioned the girls club, they too have to accept there part in this. What modern coach/manager has an attitude of "it;s my way or the highway"? utterly pathetic these are women not school kids. Everyone knows these girls abilities can the same be said for the management? As for the apologists, they are everywhere, players come first and that has to be the case. On a day when the GPA say's Inter-county players can devote up to 30 hours to compete at this level to then NOT to even be listened too? Listen on your bike mate. These ladies I applaud, it is great to see women becoming more assertive and more demanding the time and effort they are putting in they do at least deserve to be listened to and not stonewalled, and what a kick in backside for Mayo County board they went way beyond their remit in suspending a club, a shameful episode."
Your post would make sense,if the whole team walked but it was really a group of players from one club,the majority of players were happy with the management team.

cityman73 (Limerick) - Posts: 775 - 18/09/2018 12:50:34    2142433

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Very negative reaction on social media to this press conference. The public has been firmly turned against these girls because of that conference. Personally I am on the managers side. I hope the ban on their club sticks. Shocking behaviour. Terrible role models for kids.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 18/09/2018 12:55:04    2142435

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Replying To cityman73:  "Your post would make sense,if the whole team walked but it was really a group of players from one club,the majority of players were happy with the management team."
Wrong, four of the current players were at press conference. I suggest anyone go and make you their own minds listen to the On the ball podcast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zShXfJsWSY

It is not good enough I have listened to this and it is shocking to be honest, Leahy claims he had a player liaison officer clearly that didn't work as he never used that person. If he didn't listen to his liaison officer why would he listen to strenght and conditioning coach? on other selectors? on the team captain? if you cannot listen to anyone you should be shown the door. I would urge anyone to listen to the link above and make your own mind up.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 18/09/2018 13:02:21    2142441

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Very odd to say the least.
Nothing said that wasn't already said and mention of "unsafe environment " ?
Obviously, not having anything added doesn't make their situation look that great but if it was an unsafe environment, then surely it wouldn't be just one club who had this view.
If there is a genuine reason then by all means , yes, but let's hear it. Otherwise it just looks like a case of " oh, I felt so unsafe , I'm a victim syndrome."
Listen to On the Ball podcast of players there are very specific instances of what they are talking about, they are NOT acceptable attitudes displayed towards amateur women. This will run and run and there is only one outcome.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 18/09/2018 13:04:54    2142443

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Who is prompting these girls because whoever it is they are doing a terrible job.. Its another nothing statement with the tears etc and all the time trying to ruin the reputation of the manager. Peter Leahy will have to stand up to this rubbish

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 18/09/2018 13:44:11    2142461

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I agree that the statement put out by the ladies who withdrew seems a little bit watery (short of accompanying detail that we're not privy to).

However, there are some inaccuracies being sprouted by some on this thread. Firstly, not all of the players who left come from Carnacon, four of them (including former captain Sarah Tierney) come from other clubs. So it's not just a case of Carnacon players throwing one out of the pram.

Secondly, it was the LGFA clubs in Mayo who voted to censure Carnacon. Could this possibly be because Carnacon have won every county championship since the year 2000, running up huge scores in the process? Is it possible that the 26 delegates who voted for their expulsion saw an opportunity for their own clubs?

Why weren't the other players/clubs involved subjected to the same sanction?

And is it right to punish 30 odd club footballers for the actions of 8 that were on the county panel?

Seems to me that there's a lot of blame to go round here, and it's not all on the players who left.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/09/2018 14:07:36    2142470

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I agree that the statement put out by the ladies who withdrew seems a little bit watery (short of accompanying detail that we're not privy to).

However, there are some inaccuracies being sprouted by some on this thread. Firstly, not all of the players who left come from Carnacon, four of them (including former captain Sarah Tierney) come from other clubs. So it's not just a case of Carnacon players throwing one out of the pram.

Secondly, it was the LGFA clubs in Mayo who voted to censure Carnacon. Could this possibly be because Carnacon have won every county championship since the year 2000, running up huge scores in the process? Is it possible that the 26 delegates who voted for their expulsion saw an opportunity for their own clubs?

Why weren't the other players/clubs involved subjected to the same sanction?

And is it right to punish 30 odd club footballers for the actions of 8 that were on the county panel?

Seems to me that there's a lot of blame to go round here, and it's not all on the players who left."
I think the newest statement by the Mayo LGFA posted some mins ago is terrific. Fair play to them backing the manager for the new season and basically slating the people who are stirring this against Peter Leahy.

Belclare1 (Galway) - Posts: 1626 - 18/09/2018 14:30:41    2142481

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Cora and Martha Carter wernt happy with their reduced roles and not being allowed to control the set up like under previous weaker managers. They responded by attempting to oust the manager. They were influential enough to bring club mates and a couple others. So selfish as they players have long futures. Then when the rest of the panel were strong and united they became trapped. Hiding behind player welfare and mental health is shameful. If these are issues they have not been caused by management. Only specifics given were being called lazy and uncommitted. Neither of these are a problem and any manager is well entitled to express this. 12 who left should be advised that the public is against them and they should drop this or give valid reasons for such accusations (doubt there are any). Embarrassing stuff for all involved and does nothing for the ladies game. Although the remaining panel and manager cannot be blamed!! Hopefully doesn't stop other men getting involved in ladies football in the future. Hopefully Peter Leahy gets success very soon.

Kingofthehill100 (Mayo) - Posts: 68 - 18/09/2018 14:31:28    2142482

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Replying To Gleebo:  "I agree that the statement put out by the ladies who withdrew seems a little bit watery (short of accompanying detail that we're not privy to).

However, there are some inaccuracies being sprouted by some on this thread. Firstly, not all of the players who left come from Carnacon, four of them (including former captain Sarah Tierney) come from other clubs. So it's not just a case of Carnacon players throwing one out of the pram.

Secondly, it was the LGFA clubs in Mayo who voted to censure Carnacon. Could this possibly be because Carnacon have won every county championship since the year 2000, running up huge scores in the process? Is it possible that the 26 delegates who voted for their expulsion saw an opportunity for their own clubs?

Why weren't the other players/clubs involved subjected to the same sanction?

And is it right to punish 30 odd club footballers for the actions of 8 that were on the county panel?

Seems to me that there's a lot of blame to go round here, and it's not all on the players who left."
More inaccuracies from you Gleebo.

4 players left the panel, 8 players (the Carnacon players) were withdrawn by their club. That is why the county board and club delegates took action against Carnacon, because they withdrew the services of their players from the county team.

That is also why the other clubs weren't punished. They had no involvement, the four players representing those clubs withdrew themselves.

Unstoppable123 (UK) - Posts: 14 - 18/09/2018 14:37:01    2142486

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Replying To Kingofthehill100:  "Cora and Martha Carter wernt happy with their reduced roles and not being allowed to control the set up like under previous weaker managers. They responded by attempting to oust the manager. They were influential enough to bring club mates and a couple others. So selfish as they players have long futures. Then when the rest of the panel were strong and united they became trapped. Hiding behind player welfare and mental health is shameful. If these are issues they have not been caused by management. Only specifics given were being called lazy and uncommitted. Neither of these are a problem and any manager is well entitled to express this. 12 who left should be advised that the public is against them and they should drop this or give valid reasons for such accusations (doubt there are any). Embarrassing stuff for all involved and does nothing for the ladies game. Although the remaining panel and manager cannot be blamed!! Hopefully doesn't stop other men getting involved in ladies football in the future. Hopefully Peter Leahy gets success very soon."
They have given valid reasons but you have either ignored or dismissed them. Women in the world of sport everywhere are well used to this shameful treatment and when they speak up they are vilified. Mayo County board behaved illegally in dealing with one club only and have been forced to back down on that. I can't see the current manager surviving this.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 18/09/2018 14:44:43    2142493

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Replying To arock:  "Well done to these Mayo girls about time too. Way way to many poor quality coaches in the women's game, time for the ladies to step themselves and drive these chancer's and spoofer's out of their game. Ladies have to put themselves, they are the players they are all that matters. If some loud mouth can't accept the criticism he dishes out then he loses the dressing room and THAT is his fault no one else. He should go gracefully instead of bad mouthing girls they can't all be wrong. The Mayo County board LOST its case when it illegally sanctioned the girls club, they too have to accept there part in this. What modern coach/manager has an attitude of "it;s my way or the highway"? utterly pathetic these are women not school kids. Everyone knows these girls abilities can the same be said for the management? As for the apologists, they are everywhere, players come first and that has to be the case. On a day when the GPA say's Inter-county players can devote up to 30 hours to compete at this level to then NOT to even be listened too? Listen on your bike mate. These ladies I applaud, it is great to see women becoming more assertive and more demanding the time and effort they are putting in they do at least deserve to be listened to and not stonewalled, and what a kick in backside for Mayo County board they went way beyond their remit in suspending a club, a shameful episode."
It's obviously nowhere near as clear cut as you're making it out to be.

The majority of the panel are aware of whatever the issues the breakaway group have and yet they don't see those reasons as big issues at all and are happy to play for their county.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13705 - 18/09/2018 15:11:09    2142501

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Replying To arock:  "They have given valid reasons but you have either ignored or dismissed them. Women in the world of sport everywhere are well used to this shameful treatment and when they speak up they are vilified. Mayo County board behaved illegally in dealing with one club only and have been forced to back down on that. I can't see the current manager surviving this."
Please clearly outline these issues for us all so from what they have said.

Kingofthehill100 (Mayo) - Posts: 68 - 18/09/2018 15:15:50    2142502

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Amazed with the vitriol being spewed towards these players. People seem very excited to jump on the bandwagon to kick them. Hard to understand.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 18/09/2018 15:22:52    2142506

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http://www.offtheball.com/GAA/Specifics-mayo-football

martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 499 - 18/09/2018 15:34:40    2142512

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These girls have embarrassed themselves. Anyone who can't see that has never played Gaa or managed a team.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/09/2018 15:38:25    2142514

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Replying To Unstoppable123:  "More inaccuracies from you Gleebo.

4 players left the panel, 8 players (the Carnacon players) were withdrawn by their club. That is why the county board and club delegates took action against Carnacon, because they withdrew the services of their players from the county team.

That is also why the other clubs weren't punished. They had no involvement, the four players representing those clubs withdrew themselves."
Yes, and I'm sure it had nothing to do with Carnacon being by far the strongest team in Mayo (and indeed, Connacht and Ireland) and other clubs seeing an opportunity to lift some silverware in their absence.

There is also a rule within the LGFA that any player (individual) can be punished with a six month ban for refusing to travel or play for their county side (Rule 193).

http://read.digitaleditions.ie/i/804789-lgfa-official-guide-2017

Yet none of the other four players involved faced that sanction.

Puzzling lack of consistency with respect to the proposed sanctions, wouldn't you say?

I'm not suggesting the Carnacon contingent are blameless in what happened, but they have undeniably been discriminated against by the Mayo LGFA Board as per the rulebook, which is why they won their appeal to the Connacht LGFA.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 18/09/2018 16:04:15    2142520

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Replying To Unstoppable123:  "More inaccuracies from you Gleebo.

4 players left the panel, 8 players (the Carnacon players) were withdrawn by their club. That is why the county board and club delegates took action against Carnacon, because they withdrew the services of their players from the county team.

That is also why the other clubs weren't punished. They had no involvement, the four players representing those clubs withdrew themselves."
It is a amateur game and of course the 8 players are entitled to withdraw from a panel at any time. Why should their club suffer?-very strange to suspend the club. I did not know there was such a rule within the ladies game. If half the team has a problem with the manager, then the manager has a problem and he should be prepared to do the decent thing.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 18/09/2018 16:07:52    2142521

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Replying To browncows:  "It is a amateur game and of course the 8 players are entitled to withdraw from a panel at any time. Why should their club suffer?-very strange to suspend the club. I did not know there was such a rule within the ladies game. If half the team has a problem with the manager, then the manager has a problem and he should be prepared to do the decent thing."
Maybe you aren't getting this??

The players did not withdraw themselves from the panel

The club secretary of Carnacon rang the Mayo manager informing him that the Carnacon players would no longer be playing for Mayo. That is why the club is involved and potential will suffer the consequences.

Unstoppable123 (UK) - Posts: 14 - 18/09/2018 16:26:37    2142530

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