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Dublin Getting 2 Home Games In The Super 8s. Fair Or Unfair?

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Of course it's ours in the same way Pearce Park is Galway's. Both are the biggest stadium in their counties but fundementally both are owned by the GAA. There is no difference really.

It just so happens Croke Park in Dublin is the biggest stadium in Ireland and the GAA play other counties games their in the latter stages of the championship and other Counties gave a romantic attatchement to it."
It really is that simple. If Croke Park was in Galway then Galway would play their home games there. It makes economic sense and justifies the existence of the stadium and the cost it took to build it. Dublin would love to have Parnell Park expanded and play all of their home games there but apart from the lack of room to develop it wouldn't make economic sense anyway with Croker just a downhill freewheel from Donnycarney.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 3319 - 08/07/2018 10:47:54    2119531

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  ""Pearce Park" where is that ? If your talking about Pàirc an Phiarsaigh / Pearse Stadium, well that is owned & under the auspices of Galway County Board. When did Dublin County Board take control of Croke Park ? Renting it is different to owning it ! Yes all units come under the Association but there is a difference really. Sammy has called a spade a spade & as usual the Dubs on here don't like their cage being rattled."
Its an interesting debate, i believe the grounds are maintained by the county boards but ultimately owned by the GAA.

True Dublin pay a rent to Croke Park for the league but this isnt the case in the Championship, i think that rent is only fair as county boards pay for the upkeep of their county grounds, that isnt necessary for Croke Park as Croke Park is a different model really the stadium has its own management company. But ultimately all counties grounds are owned by the GAA.

To be honest, i see little difference in say the "ownership" of Croke Park and any other county ground to be honest, they are all owned by the GAA. Locally the biggest of all these county is generally used as that counties "home ground", Dublin's is Croke Park, they play all their one games their like every other county play theirs in their counties biggest ground, its Dublins home ground really. All grounds are owned by the GAA.

If "Pàirc an Phiarsaigh" got a face lift and catered for 80k people and hosted all Ireland finals, would it cease to be Galways "home ground". Probably not.

If it isnt the case that Croke Park isnt Dublin home ground why all moaning about Dublin "home games".

Totally rattled :D

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1852 - 08/07/2018 10:47:55    2119532

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Replying To Joxer:  "It really is that simple. If Croke Park was in Galway then Galway would play their home games there. It makes economic sense and justifies the existence of the stadium and the cost it took to build it. Dublin would love to have Parnell Park expanded and play all of their home games there but apart from the lack of room to develop it wouldn't make economic sense anyway with Croker just a downhill freewheel from Donnycarney."
Do Dublin have 10k season ticket holders ? I thought 5 was the max ? 10 thousand doesn't seem accurate but I could be wrong .

This also needs to be addressed . Various grounds in Ireland cannot hold 12 thousand so what happens if Dublin play those counties in future super 8s or leinster matches ?

We know Dublin fans would travel anywhere - it's a massive fan base due to a number of reasons .

It is blantantly unfair on Donegal . Two away matches for winning Ulster .

The GAA said one home , one away and one croker . The latter was designed to be the neutral match .

It's just the principal of it all. Not Dublin's fault .

paddy92 (Donegal) - Posts: 141 - 08/07/2018 11:00:25    2119536

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So Monaghan should stop using Clones as it is the home ground for the Ulster Final.

Tipp have to stop using Thurles??

Its ok for the Dubs to have to play Tipp in the 'neutral' ground of Thurles but the moment the shoe is on the other foot the world goes beserk.

How can this not be about having a pop at Dublin?

And for those saying its about fairness not Dublin where were you last year???

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1375 - 08/07/2018 11:51:06    2119556

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absolutely UNFAIR

Longford1 (Longford) - Posts: 101 - 08/07/2018 11:58:32    2119560

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Replying To paddy92:  "Do Dublin have 10k season ticket holders ? I thought 5 was the max ? 10 thousand doesn't seem accurate but I could be wrong .

This also needs to be addressed . Various grounds in Ireland cannot hold 12 thousand so what happens if Dublin play those counties in future super 8s or leinster matches ?

We know Dublin fans would travel anywhere - it's a massive fan base due to a number of reasons .

It is blantantly unfair on Donegal . Two away matches for winning Ulster .

The GAA said one home , one away and one croker . The latter was designed to be the neutral match .

It's just the principal of it all. Not Dublin's fault ."
At the risk of repeating myself, every other team has 2 away matches

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 08/07/2018 12:07:14    2119561

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Replying To Uimhir.a.3.:  "Your eye rolls can't be seen behind your blinkers which all the Dubs on here obviously wear. Independent thinking hidden by the need to green thumb the usual Dub suspects on here. Yer failure to dethrone the Kerry boys makes for great viewing."
Amazing that you're so worked up over a little thumb!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 3514 - 08/07/2018 12:18:14    2119564

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its an interesting debate, i believe the grounds are maintained by the county boards but ultimately owned by the GAA.

True Dublin pay a rent to Croke Park for the league but this isnt the case in the Championship, i think that rent is only fair as county boards pay for the upkeep of their county grounds, that isnt necessary for Croke Park as Croke Park is a different model really the stadium has its own management company. But ultimately all counties grounds are owned by the GAA.

To be honest, i see little difference in say the "ownership" of Croke Park and any other county ground to be honest, they are all owned by the GAA. Locally the biggest of all these county is generally used as that counties "home ground", Dublin's is Croke Park, they play all their one games their like every other county play theirs in their counties biggest ground, its Dublins home ground really. All grounds are owned by the GAA.

If "Pàirc an Phiarsaigh" got a face lift and catered for 80k people and hosted all Ireland finals, would it cease to be Galways "home ground". Probably not.

If it isnt the case that Croke Park isnt Dublin home ground why all moaning about Dublin "home games".

Totally rattled :D"
The GAA spends Millions on Dubs home ground... And lets the other grounds rot. Somehow Dubs can make out that to be fair??? By the way there was A Mayo Woman (Dietician) hit in the head and brought to hospital that day you couldnt get your own way in warm up. Disgusting behaviour.

SAMMYTHEBULL (Galway) - Posts: 1533 - 08/07/2018 12:43:17    2119575

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "At the risk of repeating myself, every other team has 2 away matches"
That is not actually correct, every other team has 1 away game, 1 home game and 1 neutral game. For example Tyrone are playing Roscommon in Croke Park in a nuetral game, not an away game for either side. If I follow your logic correctly, you are saying that Croke Park is not Dublin's home venue, therefore Dublin are playing 3 away games in the Super 8s lol.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1314 - 08/07/2018 12:48:35    2119577

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I have never agreed with the old quarter-finals being played in Croke Park. I always maintained the provincial champions should have been given home advantage.

2009 was the only time I attended the quarter-finals in Croke Park as the '09 Leinster champions hosted Kerry.

Galway v Kerry should be in Thurles or Limerick. Croke Park is for the semi-finals and final.

The Big Smoke versus Donegal should be in Clones.

Croke Park being in the capital is naturally what it is. Laois played their provincial semi-final and final there. If they were in the Super 8, they'd have an advantage of recent game time in Croke Park.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5665 - 08/07/2018 12:50:45    2119578

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Replying To Green_Gold:  "That is not actually correct, every other team has 1 away game, 1 home game and 1 neutral game. For example Tyrone are playing Roscommon in Croke Park in a nuetral game, not an away game for either side. If I follow your logic correctly, you are saying that Croke Park is not Dublin's home venue, therefore Dublin are playing 3 away games in the Super 8s lol."
Call it a neutral game if you want it's still away from home! I don't see the difference! Sorry!

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 08/07/2018 13:59:08    2119598

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "Call it a neutral game if you want it's still away from home! I don't see the difference! Sorry!"
Let me try and make this simple for you.

When you are playing "away" the other team is at "home" and has an advantage in that they are familiar with the pitch & usually have an advantage in the number of supporters as they have less distance to travel.

In a "neutral" game neither team has those advantages & therefore neither team has an advantage.

Can't make it any simpler than that.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4736 - 08/07/2018 14:52:28    2119610

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "Let me try and make this simple for you.

When you are playing "away" the other team is at "home" and has an advantage in that they are familiar with the pitch & usually have an advantage in the number of supporters as they have less distance to travel.

In a "neutral" game neither team has those advantages & therefore neither team has an advantage.

Can't make it any simpler than that."
Still not at home. Simple

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 08/07/2018 19:40:00    2119756

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Replying To JayP:  "Look, if Donegal were in the opposite group to Dublin you wouldnt care. One home, one away and one in Croke Park. David Brady on Off the Ball said he doesnt care if Dublin play 2 games in Croke Park. They either play in Parnell or pick a venue of their choice. Hes said its a no brainer to play in Croke Park. And although fairness is great and all that if people want to host home games in qualifiers or Super 8's a lot of grounds will need upgrades. That wont happen unless the GAA make money. Its a double edged sword. You want an improved Pairc Tailteann or Newbridge, the GAA need cash. Thats their reason for the Super 8's prov winners playing in Croke Park. Its a stadium filler. Look more modern stadia is needed."
I really think some people would want look up the difference between location and ownership, we play in a stadium which we are very familiar with, do we have superior access no , can we train there no , can the lads avail of any of the facilities prior to match day no , is it an advantage to us yes as it's less traveling, did Kildare say stick to the AGREED rules YES , are Dublin doing anything different NO, should it be looked at Yes next year , and by the way speak through your club and delegates if your so offended , by all means type an email , but don't complain after the fact

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5138 - 08/07/2018 20:12:14    2119766

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The All-Ireland semi-finals and final are in a neutral venue! ;-)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 5665 - 08/07/2018 20:14:49    2119768

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It's a joke!! Dubs use/ allowed same dressing room every time (No.1) ...warm up at hill end very time ..how do dey get same dressing room every time??
Neutral as Croke Park !! Ask any weaker county how they are treated by croke park #secondclass

curnew (Wicklow) - Posts: 437 - 08/07/2018 20:23:32    2119773

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Replying To curnew:  "It's a joke!! Dubs use/ allowed same dressing room every time (No.1) ...warm up at hill end very time ..how do dey get same dressing room every time??
Neutral as Croke Park !! Ask any weaker county how they are treated by croke park #secondclass"
If and I really mean if you think the same dressing room makes a difference the. You know nothing about elite sportsmen, by the way congrats on suberp showing by your minors yet again v Kildare, they are showing savage fortitude , I am hoping they win Leinster

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5138 - 08/07/2018 20:28:09    2119774

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "Still not at home. Simple"
You're either putting this astounding display of thickness on, or you are actually thick.

Can't make my mind up.....

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4736 - 08/07/2018 20:39:35    2119779

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Replying To Damothedub:  "I really think some people would want look up the difference between location and ownership, we play in a stadium which we are very familiar with, do we have superior access no , can we train there no , can the lads avail of any of the facilities prior to match day no , is it an advantage to us yes as it's less traveling, did Kildare say stick to the AGREED rules YES , are Dublin doing anything different NO, should it be looked at Yes next year , and by the way speak through your club and delegates if your so offended , by all means type an email , but don't complain after the fact"
Couple of points Damo,

1 Most counties don't actually train on their county grounds anymore.
2 You do have "superior access" insofar as you play every home game there.
3 No need to speak through anyone, review already announced.
4 Nobody is "offended", sick to the back teeth would be more like it.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4736 - 08/07/2018 20:45:42    2119785

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Serious question, would Donegal be better off putting out their U20s against Dublin next week and keeping their powder dry for the games against Tyrone and Roscommon?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7761 - 08/07/2018 21:03:03    2119792

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