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Dublin Getting 2 Home Games In The Super 8s. Fair Or Unfair?

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Replying To TheUsername:  "I would disagree, i wouldn't say Dublin bank roll the GAA but they are a primary and secondary contributor to a vast amount of the association finances. The benefits to the GAA go far beyond just gate receipts in my honest opinion and the GAA approach to these things would indicate that.

Personally i would love to see Dublin elsewhere in Dublin in a different home ground, Dublin are missing a massive trick here, maybe this will be the start of it hopefully. Much of the revenue Dublin create goes currently into the Assoication, without Dublin in Croke Park or if Dublin reclaimed their profile, literally the GAA have huge financial problems, more secondry then primarily based on gate receipts etc that are centralized."
Poor dublin they should get 3 home games after all they are the power house of Gaa with great support at the rate of support in leinster kilmacud croker will be hosting the 2021 leinster final.

Leinster Final attendances by year
2008 - 80,112
2009 - 74,573
2010 - 48, 875
2011 - 43, 983
2012 - 69,657
2013 - 54,485
2014 - 62,660
2015 - 47,480
2016 - 38, 885
2017 - 66,734
2018 - 41,728

I started this post about the fact that 1 team gets to play 2 out of three matches in their home venue and all the dubs say they would be happy to travel that is except jim gavin dubs.....

If kerry got away with this the dubs would be marching on the streets. Dublin streets within the M50 of course ;-)

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 127 - 04/07/2018 18:31:05    2118588

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Replying To NaomhNaille:  "well Donegal are playing 2 games at the other counties home grounds which is a disadvantage to playing 1 home 1 another counties home ground and one in a neutral venue"
Each county will play 2 matches away from their home ground, wherever they are played what's the difference?

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 04/07/2018 18:58:43    2118594

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "Poor dublin they should get 3 home games after all they are the power house of Gaa with great support at the rate of support in leinster kilmacud croker will be hosting the 2021 leinster final.

Leinster Final attendances by year
2008 - 80,112
2009 - 74,573
2010 - 48, 875
2011 - 43, 983
2012 - 69,657
2013 - 54,485
2014 - 62,660
2015 - 47,480
2016 - 38, 885
2017 - 66,734
2018 - 41,728

I started this post about the fact that 1 team gets to play 2 out of three matches in their home venue and all the dubs say they would be happy to travel that is except jim gavin dubs.....

If kerry got away with this the dubs would be marching on the streets. Dublin streets within the M50 of course ;-)"
Good point, so what your saying is you couldn't fit Dublin in Clones.

That some record of attendance for a provincal final, it's clearly the highest in the country by a distance.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1852 - 04/07/2018 19:30:52    2118606

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There is a simple soloution to this problem which is as follows.

Each team plays one home match, one away match & one match at Croke Park except for Dublin whose Croke Park match is to be played at a suitable venue chosen by the CCCC.

Everyone should be happy with this soloution including Dublin fans, who don't mind travelling, as it ensures fairness all round to all the participating teams.

It's just one major game away from Croke Park for Dublin & when you consider that many teams get only one championship game on their home ground all year then this should not be too hard to swallow.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4736 - 04/07/2018 19:31:15    2118607

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Replying To waynoI:  "Article from 25th of February, 2017

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The motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.

Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council. Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.[/I]"]On the basis of the above post this really is a stupid argument; it's set in stone plain as now everyone jump off the Newbridge bandwagon and get on with it; I would gladly see Tyrone playing twice in Croke Park; suck it up it's home away and Croke Park with no caveats about Dublin so no arguing required

hithimhard (Tyrone) - Posts: 18 - 04/07/2018 19:42:55    2118611

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "Each county will play 2 matches away from their home ground, wherever they are played what's the difference?"
Dublin aren't, they're playing 2 at home. that's what the CB are really questioning as to how a team can use the same pitch for their home and neutral matches

NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 114 - 04/07/2018 19:50:52    2118616

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Replying To hithimhard:  "
Replying To waynoI:  "Article from 25th of February, 2017

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The motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.

Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council. Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.[/I
"]On the basis of the above post this really is a stupid argument; it's set in stone plain as now everyone jump off the Newbridge bandwagon and get on with it; I would gladly see Tyrone playing twice in Croke Park; suck it up it's home away and Croke Park with no caveats about Dublin so no arguing required"]Agree 100%

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 04/07/2018 21:03:36    2118641

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Replying To NaomhNaille:  "it's not the same for everyone else, Donegal are playing against 2 teams in their home pitch therefore donegal are at a disadvantage"
I would prefer to see us play our home game in Parnell Park and the required Croke Park game in funny enough, Croke Park. Would this be appease Donegal?

Marse (Dublin) - Posts: 202 - 04/07/2018 21:09:59    2118643

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Replying To Marse:  "I would prefer to see us play our home game in Parnell Park and the required Croke Park game in funny enough, Croke Park. Would this be appease Donegal?"
I give up, I really do.

This is now in the realms of fantasy with common sense having left the house running & screaming.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4736 - 04/07/2018 21:54:34    2118661

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "I give up, I really do.

This is now in the realms of fantasy with common sense having left the house running & screaming."
Lol !!

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12977 - 04/07/2018 22:10:57    2118673

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "I give up, I really do.

This is now in the realms of fantasy with common sense having left the house running & screaming."
Why?

Gavvygavgav (Dublin) - Posts: 310 - 04/07/2018 23:11:50    2118691

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "I give up, I really do.

This is now in the realms of fantasy with common sense having left the house running & screaming."
You give up? This issue wasn't raised by Dublin. Common sense would have been to read the rules and then just let it go. But no...

Marse (Dublin) - Posts: 202 - 05/07/2018 08:10:13    2118717

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I would have thought this would have been a stand alone game....double header

Farney1977 (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 05/07/2018 08:53:52    2118728

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It would be good to sort this out, not for Donegal's interests (cause as pointed out, it was always going to be in Croke Park) but going forward as a rule change so next year it's defined as neutral and not in Croke Park.

However, if you think about it - the whole All Ireland Series as a competition is unfair.

It starts off on, and continues on an uneven playing field.

I doubt if any other sporting competition in the world has 11 teams in one quarter of a draw and 6 in another quarter.

So all this picking and choosing injustices over what's fair and unfair as each case arises is a bit after the fact.

There's no point in complaining now.

If we want a completely fair competition - we need to sort out the whole thing.

Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 86 - 05/07/2018 10:31:38    2118753

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Replying To Al_Maguire:  "It would be good to sort this out, not for Donegal's interests (cause as pointed out, it was always going to be in Croke Park) but going forward as a rule change so next year it's defined as neutral and not in Croke Park.

However, if you think about it - the whole All Ireland Series as a competition is unfair.

It starts off on, and continues on an uneven playing field.

I doubt if any other sporting competition in the world has 11 teams in one quarter of a draw and 6 in another quarter.

So all this picking and choosing injustices over what's fair and unfair as each case arises is a bit after the fact.

There's no point in complaining now.

If we want a completely fair competition - we need to sort out the whole thing."
Exactly!! It suits certain posters to point the finger whilst ignoring the blatant unfairness in their own province. Start from scratch and make the competition fairer. Good post!!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 3514 - 05/07/2018 10:52:07    2118759

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Replying To Marse:  "I would prefer to see us play our home game in Parnell Park and the required Croke Park game in funny enough, Croke Park. Would this be appease Donegal?"
Yeah thats much fairer. Sure while yer at it why dont we use Fitzgeralds stadium as our home ground and Austins Stacks as our neutral venue?

KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 730 - 05/07/2018 15:21:30    2118849

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It's a shambles. As great as Dublin are, the continued favouritism shown towards them affects the legacy of that team.

Donegal don't stand a chance and the integrity of the competition has become a joke.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1080 - 05/07/2018 17:27:17    2118882

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Replying To hithimhard:  "
Replying To waynoI:  "Article from 25th of February, 2017

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The motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.

Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council. Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.[/I
"]On the basis of the above post this really is a stupid argument; it's set in stone plain as now everyone jump off the Newbridge bandwagon and get on with it; I would gladly see Tyrone playing twice in Croke Park; suck it up it's home away and Croke Park with no caveats about Dublin so no arguing required"]ah but the problem is what is croke park to dublin...is it a home venue or a neutral venue?..if croke pk is a home venue for dublin, then they shouldn't be playing two games there...if it's a neutral venue then why are they still playing two games there?...simple as that

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1606 - 05/07/2018 17:40:47    2118884

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Well done to the Donegal Co. Board who, after a meeting with Croke Park officials today, have secured a total review of the Super 8 competition after this year. Every county will be allowed to contribute to the review & hopefully we will have a good competition in 2019

After Roscommon & Kildare this is another nail in the coffin of the fixers & now we can get on with the football.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 4736 - 05/07/2018 18:44:06    2118897

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "Well done to the Donegal Co. Board who, after a meeting with Croke Park officials today, have secured a total review of the Super 8 competition after this year. Every county will be allowed to contribute to the review & hopefully we will have a good competition in 2019

After Roscommon & Kildare this is another nail in the coffin of the fixers & now we can get on with the football."
Fair play to them for taking their stance.

I wish it would've been done at the outset (not just by Donegal CB but by everyone) as this was clearly what was going to happen to one of the non Leinster provincial champions every year that Dublin win the Leinster title.

It was clear and obviously stated from the beginning what would happen. It's a shame for the Donegal team that no one spoke up earlier.

The top brass can only do what they are allowed to do by the individual counties.

That has been clear for some time despite the fact that no one bothered to try and change things.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 12087 - 05/07/2018 18:50:07    2118899

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