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Dublin Getting 2 Home Games In The Super 8s. Fair Or Unfair?

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "How's it not fair? A game in Croke Park, an away game, and a home match, the same as every other team! Maybe Donegal should play them all at home, maybe that's fair"
I don't consider Donegal's game in Croke Park a neutral venue. Its a home game for Dublin which means an away game for Donegal.

This means Donegal have 2 away games, one home and no neutral.

I consider this a disadvantage to Donegal.

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 917 - 04/07/2018 13:36:54    2118458

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Replying To Ban:  "I don't consider Donegal's game in Croke Park a neutral venue. Its a home game for Dublin which means an away game for Donegal.

This means Donegal have 2 away games, one home and no neutral.

I consider this a disadvantage to Donegal."
The format was known about ages ago. Provincial winners were always going to meet in Croke Park for the 1st games.

Donegal won the Ulster championship weeks ago yet only now the management have an issue with this fixture.????
Have they been asleep for the past 2 weeks or what.?

Why was it not brought up before now..???

This is a distraction and will back-fire on Donegal.
Very strange decision to go down this route at this stage by them.

If Counties feel so strong about Dublin playing in Croke Park why isnt it brought up at Congress or BEFORE the Super 8's format was Agreed.... Money, that is why - county boards benefit from gate receipts...
So much hypocrisy going on here...

All a nonsense to bring it up now, but I expect nothing less from certain people.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 2581 - 04/07/2018 13:50:35    2118467

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Replying To Fionn:  "The format was known about ages ago. Provincial winners were always going to meet in Croke Park for the 1st games.

Donegal won the Ulster championship weeks ago yet only now the management have an issue with this fixture.????
Have they been asleep for the past 2 weeks or what.?

Why was it not brought up before now..???

This is a distraction and will back-fire on Donegal.
Very strange decision to go down this route at this stage by them.

If Counties feel so strong about Dublin playing in Croke Park why isnt it brought up at Congress or BEFORE the Super 8's format was Agreed.... Money, that is why - county boards benefit from gate receipts...
So much hypocrisy going on here...

All a nonsense to bring it up now, but I expect nothing less from certain people."
I don't expect Donegal to win whether it is home or away , what Donegal and are doing is trying to make sure it that the competition is a level playing field for all and not weighted to any one county as is the case now. With all the Dublin fans telling us they like to travel , it smacks of hypocricy here.

If kerry were in the Dubs group and they had 2 games in kerry and the dubs had 1 in dublin we would all hear about it.

please help us keep the competition fair to all.....

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 121 - 04/07/2018 14:02:09    2118474

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I'd imagine the Dubs would be very willing to travel if the GAA decided to more from Croke Park. Where could it be played? Clones or Thurles maybe? Clones while well located is probably a bit on the small side and Thurles adds a fair bit of distance for Donegal supporters.

dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 292 - 04/07/2018 14:02:41    2118475

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Replying To Ban:  "I don't consider Donegal's game in Croke Park a neutral venue. Its a home game for Dublin which means an away game for Donegal.

This means Donegal have 2 away games, one home and no neutral.

I consider this a disadvantage to Donegal."
It's the same for everybody else, Donegal are worried about themselves and no-else don't let Bonners comments fool you. The real reason behind this is Donegal see themselves having played 2 matches in the super8s which they could arguably lose meaning their final home game is a dead rubber-potentially-All carefully cheographed by Jim Mc Guinness who set the wheels in motion by his comments last week and backed up by Martin Mc Hugh's newspaper article. No slows in the Donegal men!

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 04/07/2018 14:18:59    2118481

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First off this whole idea that somehow Dublin are bankrolling the entire GAA is a bit of a myth that keeps getting pedalled out every now and again but equally as has been discussed the advantages Dublin receive from the GAA is not of Dublins doing, nobody's ire at the moment should be with Dublin.

The fact is at congress no one even brought up the fact that Dublin would have 2 games at Croke Park but when the Super 8 was being spoken about what was being mentioned was 1 x home games, 1 x away and 1 x neutral game.

All Donegal have done is ask for clarification on the basis of the discussion in congress being that at least one game would be in a neutral venue. However the official rules of the competition defined that neutral game to be a "Croke Park game" so in reality nothings going to change. Of course the administrators of the GAA being what they are no one actually had the foresight to look ahead at potential issues down the line because of course that would take actual effort at doing something more than "making it up as we go along"

Of course the CCCC have it within their power to make a decision that Croke park is either Dublins home game for the purpose of the Super 8 or is Neutral and not both but seeing as the official rules state a "croke Park" game and not a neutral venue then they wont and if they did Dublin would be totally be within their right to say hold on here now your making this up as you go along, look at the official rules.

In many ways i would love to see the CCCC try and change it only for Dublin to object as would be their right based on the actual rules of the competition as only by challenging the mess that is being made at administration level of the GAA will we see real change and having the likes of Dublin challenging it adds even more weight to this change.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 730 - 04/07/2018 14:19:21    2118482

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Replying To Ban:  "I don't consider Donegal's game in Croke Park a neutral venue. Its a home game for Dublin which means an away game for Donegal.

This means Donegal have 2 away games, one home and no neutral.

I consider this a disadvantage to Donegal."
IT DOESNT SAY NEUTRAL WHEN IT WENT TO CONGRESS


It says, 1 at home, 1 away, 1 in CROKE PARK


which is what they will have.


Weve all known about this since February 17. Provincial champions to kick off the super 8s in croke park, not a neutral venue.


The people who are, on this occasion, hard done by by Dublins second game in Croke park are the Roscommon/Armagh fans/players. Theyre the ones who should be going to the GAA .

Donegal will come out of this with egg on their faces big time.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12949 - 04/07/2018 14:28:46    2118484

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So which is it lads did it say neutral or Croke Park when it went to motion? Any sources? Because that's the important part here really

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 105 - 04/07/2018 14:35:55    2118491

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Replying To tearintom:  "First off this whole idea that somehow Dublin are bankrolling the entire GAA is a bit of a myth that keeps getting pedalled out every now and again but equally as has been discussed the advantages Dublin receive from the GAA is not of Dublins doing, nobody's ire at the moment should be with Dublin.

The fact is at congress no one even brought up the fact that Dublin would have 2 games at Croke Park but when the Super 8 was being spoken about what was being mentioned was 1 x home games, 1 x away and 1 x neutral game.

All Donegal have done is ask for clarification on the basis of the discussion in congress being that at least one game would be in a neutral venue. However the official rules of the competition defined that neutral game to be a "Croke Park game" so in reality nothings going to change. Of course the administrators of the GAA being what they are no one actually had the foresight to look ahead at potential issues down the line because of course that would take actual effort at doing something more than "making it up as we go along"

Of course the CCCC have it within their power to make a decision that Croke park is either Dublins home game for the purpose of the Super 8 or is Neutral and not both but seeing as the official rules state a "croke Park" game and not a neutral venue then they wont and if they did Dublin would be totally be within their right to say hold on here now your making this up as you go along, look at the official rules.

In many ways i would love to see the CCCC try and change it only for Dublin to object as would be their right based on the actual rules of the competition as only by challenging the mess that is being made at administration level of the GAA will we see real change and having the likes of Dublin challenging it adds even more weight to this change."
I would disagree, i wouldn't say Dublin bank roll the GAA but they are a primary and secondary contributor to a vast amount of the association finances. The benefits to the GAA go far beyond just gate receipts in my honest opinion and the GAA approach to these things would indicate that.

Personally i would love to see Dublin elsewhere in Dublin in a different home ground, Dublin are missing a massive trick here, maybe this will be the start of it hopefully. Much of the revenue Dublin create goes currently into the Assoication, without Dublin in Croke Park or if Dublin reclaimed their profile, literally the GAA have huge financial problems, more secondry then primarily based on gate receipts etc that are centralized.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 1796 - 04/07/2018 14:38:31    2118492

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "It's the same for everybody else, Donegal are worried about themselves and no-else don't let Bonners comments fool you. The real reason behind this is Donegal see themselves having played 2 matches in the super8s which they could arguably lose meaning their final home game is a dead rubber-potentially-All carefully cheographed by Jim Mc Guinness who set the wheels in motion by his comments last week and backed up by Martin Mc Hugh's newspaper article. No slows in the Donegal men!"
it's not the same for everyone else, Donegal are playing against 2 teams in their home pitch therefore donegal are at a disadvantage

NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 113 - 04/07/2018 14:39:49    2118493

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Replying To joeteor:  "So which is it lads did it say neutral or Croke Park when it went to motion? Any sources? Because that's the important part here really"
Article from 25th of February, 2017

[I]The motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.

Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council. Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.[/I]

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 12949 - 04/07/2018 15:00:48    2118505

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Replying To NaomhNaille:  "it's not the same for everyone else, Donegal are playing against 2 teams in their home pitch therefore donegal are at a disadvantage"
lI don't follow, a game in Croke Park, an away match, a game in any county's home ground, an away match, a home match? Is this not the same for everybody else?

Dergforeeva (Tyrone) - Posts: 90 - 04/07/2018 15:15:23    2118512

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Would a fair compromise be to close the hill for Dublin's neutral game?

Farney1977 (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 04/07/2018 15:35:28    2118517

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Replying To MuckrossHead:  "At long last a light has been shone on the corrupt relationship between the upper echelons of the GAA & how Croke Park is being used to favour the county with the most supporters & hence biggest gates. The scheduling of the Donegal Dublin game for 7.00 on Sat evening being the latest example.
There may well be nothing that can be done about it this year but there is no way this nonsense will be tolerated from here on in.
Some Dublin supporters have acknowledged the unfairness of it all & fair play to them but to those that are dismissive of obvious wrongdoing I can tell you this.
This great Dublin team will now not receive the accolades due to them because every time some fool starts rabbiting on about "the greatest team of all time" there will be a small voice in the crowd who will whisper "Fix" & everyone will know exactly what they're talking about."
Well said muck, you're 100% correct about that.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 7709 - 04/07/2018 15:40:44    2118521

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Replying To Farney1977:  "Would a fair compromise be to close the hill for Dublin's neutral game?"
Yes thats an idea...Lets Armagh or roscommon have the Hill ;-)

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 699 - 04/07/2018 16:15:20    2118534

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Well said muck, you're 100% correct about that."
And we get to the nuts and bolts of this whole thing.

It sticks in peoples throats the Dublin success (never an issue before 2011 surprisingly enough) and therefore, especially those of Kerry descent, people need some way of venting their anti-Dublin feelings but couch behind 'it's not about Dublin' or 'note Dublin's fault'.

As Jim Mc said it is all about this Dublin teams legacy and finding a way to tarnish it.

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1363 - 04/07/2018 16:26:56    2118542

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Replying To witnof:  "And we get to the nuts and bolts of this whole thing.

It sticks in peoples throats the Dublin success (never an issue before 2011 surprisingly enough) and therefore, especially those of Kerry descent, people need some way of venting their anti-Dublin feelings but couch behind 'it's not about Dublin' or 'note Dublin's fault'.

As Jim Mc said it is all about this Dublin teams legacy and finding a way to tarnish it."
I completely disagree with Jim's comments on that for what it's worth. To suggest one of the greatest dynasties of all time have a tarnished legacy because they play in Croke Park is a nonsense.

I'll repeat it til the cows come home, I want to our boys to play Dublin in Croke Park. The timing of this clarification is all off in my opinion but I don't disagree with Donegal county board seeking it - it's the first year of the Super 8s and we'll have some teething problems. No need for this big song and dance about it, it'll be sorted for next year or maybe even Dublin's home game will be played in Parnell, who knows.

Glad to hear Murphy saying they've been prepping for Dublin in Croker and they've known that's how it was going to go since they won Ulster. Sounds to me like the county board are playing politics a bit and Declan is trying to whip up some mind games. I don't agree with either and would prefer Declan kept highlighting Ryan McHugh's treatment, the Dubs don't have Connolly to wrestle him round the pitch this time but no doubt someone will be tasked with the job haha!

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 724 - 04/07/2018 16:49:14    2118548

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Replying To waynoI:  "Article from 25th of February, 2017

[I
The motion proposed was as follows:
'It would introduce a Group Stage for the All-Ireland quarter-final which would see the eight teams divided into two groups of four. This would ensure more high-quality games of Gaelic Football at the height of the season.
The groupings in year one (2018) would be as follows.

Group 1 - Munster provincial winner, Connacht provincial winner, Ulster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 of the Qualifiers, Leinster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

Group 2 - Ulster provincial winner, Leinster provincial winner, Munster runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4 for the Qualifiers, Connacht runner-up or team that defeats them in round 4.

The groups in the succeeding years would be determined by Central Council. Each team would play one home match, one away match, and one match at Croke Park.[/I]"]The lemmings on the county board only have themselves to blame if they voted for it then so.

joeteor (Donegal) - Posts: 105 - 04/07/2018 16:59:34    2118549

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Replying To Dergforeeva:  "lI don't follow, a game in Croke Park, an away match, a game in any county's home ground, an away match, a home match? Is this not the same for everybody else?"
well Donegal are playing 2 games at the other counties home grounds which is a disadvantage to playing 1 home 1 another counties home ground and one in a neutral venue

NaomhNaille (Donegal) - Posts: 113 - 04/07/2018 17:00:40    2118550

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Replying To witnof:  "And we get to the nuts and bolts of this whole thing.

It sticks in peoples throats the Dublin success (never an issue before 2011 surprisingly enough) and therefore, especially those of Kerry descent, people need some way of venting their anti-Dublin feelings but couch behind 'it's not about Dublin' or 'note Dublin's fault'.

As Jim Mc said it is all about this Dublin teams legacy and finding a way to tarnish it."
Totally agree - some the the kerry lads on here just cant handle being 2nd or even 3rd best.

Any excuse to join the bandwagon once it is anti Dublin.

Oh how the once mighty have fallen.

Brings a smile to my face every time I see or hear a kerry poster whinge or moan about the Dubs.
Proves we have got to them and they cant handle it at all.

As for JMG - well he always has plenty to say and picks him moments carefully....
Tarnished my a*s - our current achievements are there forever in Dublin folklore.
Bitterness is not a nice thing to possess, yet too many have it in bucket loads....

All this does is creates a siege mentality and stokes the fire of desire in the Dubs.
Payback is a meal best served in Sept.... ;o)

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 2581 - 04/07/2018 17:06:41    2118553

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