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With no disrespect to Carlow and Longford but Kildare and Meath falling to these sides is surely further vindication that Leinster football is in a seriously bad way. With Wicklow also going down by such a big margin Leinster as a Championship is now null and void. Croke Park's sole focus on creating a strong Dublin is destroying Gaelic football not only in Leinster but throughout the island; players and fans are losing interest. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9701 - 27/05/2018 21:24:23 2104346 Link 5 |
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Kildare and Meath were beaten by Carlow and Longford. How us tgat Dublins fault?
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 27/05/2018 21:33:04 2104355 Link 0 |
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Its in a coma.
waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 27/05/2018 21:38:37 2104361 Link 2 |
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To be fair Leinster football has been dead for a long time. What i mean by that is that it is not a meaningful competition but purely a formality. I don't see how the two underdogs winning today has made it any worse.
lambofgod (Mayo) - Posts: 116 - 27/05/2018 21:57:21 2104378 Link 0 |
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Dead and buried? I though the exact opposite, it's finally getting competitive Westmeath, Meath and Kildare all beaten in shock results, Does this not hint thats becoming a competitive championship again. I accept Dublin will win it but they would also be dominating Ulster, Connacht and Munster if they were playing there. So that arguments pretty moot. I'm not sure people are loosening interest to be honest, exciting times in Carlow, Longford and Westmeath. There was 60.000 + at the Leinster final last year, no other provenance could get close to that. No team outside of Leinster has won an All Ireland since 2014. I think it's quite funny, how people like to put the foot into Leinster football, to be honest it's a bit glasshouses and stones. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 27/05/2018 22:03:47 2104381 Link 4 |
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The question has to be asked was to why Kildare and especially Meath with their tradition and population aren't challenging. They really have no excuse other than their underage set ups aren't producing players capable of challenging when they step up to senior ranks . Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 27/05/2018 22:11:09 2104389 Link 3 |
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People in kildare are sick and tired of seeing us lose by 15 points to dublin. All confidence in county team is gone as a result. 11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 365 - 27/05/2018 22:28:58 2104408 Link 3 |
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It's obviously great for Longford and Carlow to get the wins today and both were well deserved but with two big population bases and a tradition in football you would be looking to Meath and Kildare to be trying to close the gap on Dublin. Royalace (Meath) - Posts: 121 - 27/05/2018 22:32:13 2104413 Link 1 |
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Actually barring the Dubs it's probably the most competitive it's ever been and as competitive as any of the other provinces. From a Longford perspective our record in Leinster over the last decade has been shocking but our record against Ulster teams in the qualifiers has been excellent and that includes a couple of narrow away defeats to top teams as well as a few wins. I'm pretty sure that if Roscommon had to travel the short journey to Pearse Park for a provincial semi final we would be very competitive with then unlike the last few years for them in Connacht. This current Dubs team is so good they absolutely blow away all but the top opposition. In reality only Kerry and Mayo have been at anywhere near their level the last few years and they would have had very few challenges whatever province they were in. catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 27/05/2018 22:35:50 2104416 Link 4 |
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Don't worry about Leinster, or any other provincial competition. The Super 8s is only the start. Tradition is barely hanging on, it won't be long now. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 27/05/2018 22:44:22 2104424 Link 3 |
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Kildare and Meath have been traumatised over a long period of time getting repeated slaughterings at all levels by the Juggernaut that fans and players alike have lost the appetite to make the huge sacrifices over 10/11 months required. 37thHeaven (Kerry) - Posts: 102 - 27/05/2018 22:45:34 2104427 Link 2 |
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This point has been answered time and again. The population increases in Meath are having zero effect on Meath football, they all wear dubs jerseys and want to play for dubs. I'll give you a good one. One of the biggest clubs in Meath donnamore/ashbourne organized a bus for the match today ..... the Dublin v Wicklow match that is. I know you in donegal and wouldn't know what's happening on the ground. But is anything the increasing population is a drawback. Not a help. I presume Kildare is the same. They had a jersey day in a school in rathoath a few years back, out of a class of 30, 3 kids showed up wearing Meath tops. With Dublin and Liverpool man utd having the most. royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/05/2018 22:59:36 2104434 Link 0 |
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There's a fine line between losing one's appetite and rolling over and giving up. Do you not remember Kerry's dominance or when they hit poor auld Clare for 9 goals? The banner would give you a decent game at the moment. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 27/05/2018 23:24:45 2104443 Link 2 |
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Statistics and damned lies, eh? Both stats you refer to just add to Ulsterman's point to be honest. 60,000 at the game, most of whom were from Dublin, and all of whom were there to see how much Dublin won by, is hardly a sign of a competitive province. You can't in serious conscience tell me that the overwhelming majority of people at that game expected anything other than an easy Dublin win. Likewise, no other team in Leinster has come even close to winning the AI other than Dublin since long before 2014. On the other hand, the only teams that have challenged or beaten Dublin in recent years are all from outside Leinster. Not a single Leinster team has managed to stay competitive for the length of a game and are usually buried before the short whistle has even sounded. How many Leinster teams do you expect to see in the Super 8s this year? festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 27/05/2018 23:30:37 2104446 Link 2 |
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The Leinster counsel must be sick, there won't be 60,000 at this years decider. realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 27/05/2018 23:44:12 2104454 Link 1 |
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Your dreaming and that's good but no one outside of Leinster fears any Leinster side bar the dubs in fact if leitrim and Sligo were in leitrim were in Leinster last 2 years they would be in running for 2nd best team in Leinster.
OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1764 - 27/05/2018 23:56:46 2104460 Link 0 |
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You paint a very poor picture indeed. Last year when we played Meath in Navan there was very clear passion from the Meath faithful. It's a pity that new faces into the county aren't embracing their new home but maybe their next generation will. The u17 win v Dublin could be the start.
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 27/05/2018 23:57:08 2104461 Link 0 |
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After how many consecutive Leinster title wins for dublin does the point come where there is literally no point in having the competition? 11jm11 (Kildare) - Posts: 365 - 27/05/2018 23:57:48 2104463 Link 0 |
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I think that's a bit insulting to Kildare mate, Kildare travelled in huge numbers to the Leinster final last year, I was at the game the split was about 60/40 in my opinion. You are doing Kildare support a massive disservice in my opinion. I think when there is a fair wind, Kildare are probably one of the best supported counties in the country, equally Meath come to think of it. I think most at that game expected a Dublin win, but bar playing Mayo it was the only really competitive game Dublin played last year in my opinion. No other Leinster team has come close to Winning a Leinster since 2014? No team in the country has won an All Ireland either, if accusations are to be made you need to make sure, you are not guilty of the same crime. No Leinster team, has come close to winning an all Ireland only Dublin, no county in Connacht, Munster or Ulster has beyond Mayo, Kerry, Tyrone or Donegal. Again many counties guilty of the same crime. I've no idea who will make the S8s, I'm excited to see how Loais and Carlow get on I think both would fancy there chances it really depends on the luck of the draw. Kildare and Meath have talent on their day, to be honest I don't really know, I wouldn't be afraid of many going through the qualifier route. It's hypothetical, I think some provinces are easier to advance in then others. I don't feel the need to separate Dublin from Leinster, we are a Leinster team, we are proud to be a Leinster team, we represent Leinster, if other provinces think their province is stronger, the onus is on them to prove it, that something every county representing their province has failed to do since 2014. I'd acknowledge some traditional Leinster teams our lower then their historical benchmarks, but as this weekend proves the spirit of the GAA is alive and well with great evidence of development in many historically undeveloped counties. I think in reality Leinster is on a par with anywhere, bar the few big fish. I find your post ironic in the sense, should Connacht really be speaking down to any Provence in terms of achievements or success, it's hardly been pulling its weight for a few decades in football in terms of bringing any silver ware west. You talk of success as "putting it up to Dublin" it's not, it's ultimately failure, Dublin are a Leinster team, we represent Leinster. If Galway win the All Ireland this year, I hope you would think the represent Connacht, there was a lovely moment after Roscommon won the Div 2 final in the curtain raiser to Div 1, were he wished Galway and Connacht luck in the Div 1 final, see were I'm coming from. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 28/05/2018 00:15:10 2104471 Link 4 |
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Only competitive game last year for Dublin was against Mayo? You've a funny notion of competitive; I'd say the fine people in Kerry who actually beat Dublin in the league final might take exception to that. Talk about doing a disservice! festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3097 - 28/05/2018 01:10:43 2104481 Link 1 |