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Loughnane says energy gone from Tipperary

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Tipp need to try and get back to the 16 that won the all ireland two years ago. the full backline of Barret, Barry and Cahill was the strongest in the country and hasnt been seen together very long if at all this year. Breen in midfield is a huge loss as well. he would be good for 2 or 3 scores per match as well as a real engine around the middle.

the forward line has serious talent but looks very flat compared to the high standards they set before. they have the potential to blitz any back line in the country but havent shown it enough this year.

i hope Mick Ryan stays for another year. he has an all ireland under his belt and was part of success in the past as a selector. last year Tipp gave Galway their closest contest and could have nicked it themselves. they would have been heavy favourites against waterford in the final. the biggest mistake Ryan made was trying out so many untested players in the first match. it didnt work anf Tipp were playing catch up the rest of the competition. it should be taken on board and Tipp should be ready to hit the ground running next year.

as for Loughnane, he talks a lot of muck. i take his point on Tipp lacking energy which was obvious. as for the squad being too old i think that is nonsense. theres barely a player beyond 30 in the squad

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 1686 - 12/06/2018 19:33:05    2110697

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "Tipp need to try and get back to the 16 that won the all ireland two years ago. the full backline of Barret, Barry and Cahill was the strongest in the country and hasnt been seen together very long if at all this year. Breen in midfield is a huge loss as well. he would be good for 2 or 3 scores per match as well as a real engine around the middle.

the forward line has serious talent but looks very flat compared to the high standards they set before. they have the potential to blitz any back line in the country but havent shown it enough this year.

i hope Mick Ryan stays for another year. he has an all ireland under his belt and was part of success in the past as a selector. last year Tipp gave Galway their closest contest and could have nicked it themselves. they would have been heavy favourites against waterford in the final. the biggest mistake Ryan made was trying out so many untested players in the first match. it didnt work anf Tipp were playing catch up the rest of the competition. it should be taken on board and Tipp should be ready to hit the ground running next year.

as for Loughnane, he talks a lot of muck. i take his point on Tipp lacking energy which was obvious. as for the squad being too old i think that is nonsense. theres barely a player beyond 30 in the squad"
Well Said SaffronDon.

Any objectively vanishes for Loughnane when he is speaking about Tipp, especially when he is having a go at the team.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2329 - 12/06/2018 20:02:59    2110712

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Tipp have no one to blame but themselves. They had a couple of absolute shocking first halves and you cannot keep letting teams run up big leads and having to haul them back at the last minute. That just won't work out in the end.
It is a pity to see them out of it though this early but the door is wide open for a couple of new challengers now and it's bound to be an exciting run in.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1807 - 12/06/2018 20:03:51    2110714

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Last time Tipp exited the championship this early was in June 1998 vs Waterford and it's exactly on this day in 1999 that Clare knocked us out in a replay.
That apart we carried poor enough league form into the championship. We beat a poor Waterford team Wexford should have beaten us and we scraped over what was at the time a cork team struggling.
Dublin had 11 points scored on us in ten mins and from there the warning signs started and gaps started to emerge.
Limerick if they had taken their scores had us beaten and it took two mistakes to gift us goals in league semi.
At this stage I was dreading the league final in nowlan park after watching them demolish wexford so I didn't travel and all this talk of a handy tipp win in kk background only further sowed the seeds of doubt and we were dually hammered by what is becoming a nice Kilkenny team not the teams of old but they still have that sense of ruthlessness that they can take a team apart when they hurl.
Munster Championship I think we went about it the wrong way. We entered with lots of injuries loss if form and too many players still unsure of their places. We never looked settled in any game and only upped the ante when we had to almost holding back at times. I think the 3 teams who progressed had that settled look about them Waterford were just pure unlucky with injuries ,officials and no home games.
I know some of the Tipp panel and word is after the Waterford game most of them were wrecked after 3 games some couldn't train this week. Even in the warm up Sunday you could see Clare flying into drills the Tipp lads just pucking the balls about.
Different game plan required for 2019 if we are to bounce back from this early exit.
Can't fault the players they died with their boots on Sunday but a fitter Clare team caught them down the home stretch. No complaints and this early season ending will do us a world of good.
Looking forward to rest of championship whatever it brings. May the best team win.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1561 - 12/06/2018 20:39:17    2110743

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Last time Tipp exited the championship this early was in June 1998 vs Waterford and it's exactly on this day in 1999 that Clare knocked us out in a replay.
That apart we carried poor enough league form into the championship. We beat a poor Waterford team Wexford should have beaten us and we scraped over what was at the time a cork team struggling.
Dublin had 11 points scored on us in ten mins and from there the warning signs started and gaps started to emerge.
Limerick if they had taken their scores had us beaten and it took two mistakes to gift us goals in league semi.
At this stage I was dreading the league final in nowlan park after watching them demolish wexford so I didn't travel and all this talk of a handy tipp win in kk background only further sowed the seeds of doubt and we were dually hammered by what is becoming a nice Kilkenny team not the teams of old but they still have that sense of ruthlessness that they can take a team apart when they hurl.
Munster Championship I think we went about it the wrong way. We entered with lots of injuries loss if form and too many players still unsure of their places. We never looked settled in any game and only upped the ante when we had to almost holding back at times. I think the 3 teams who progressed had that settled look about them Waterford were just pure unlucky with injuries ,officials and no home games.
I know some of the Tipp panel and word is after the Waterford game most of them were wrecked after 3 games some couldn't train this week. Even in the warm up Sunday you could see Clare flying into drills the Tipp lads just pucking the balls about.
Different game plan required for 2019 if we are to bounce back from this early exit.
Can't fault the players they died with their boots on Sunday but a fitter Clare team caught them down the home stretch. No complaints and this early season ending will do us a world of good.
Looking forward to rest of championship whatever it brings. May the best team win."
Great analysis of the season there Wildpundit. I agree, I think the early bath this year will help in the long run. A win over Clare was only dragging out the inevitable by a couple of weeks.

I think Tipp and Waterford got their preparations all wrong for championship. Both seemed to have a sick bay to rival a World War 1 infirmary. I think the amount of injuries both teams had was a tell tale sign of getting the preparation wrong.

I'm guessing in Tipp's case they were over trained. Waterford came back late, I think the rationale there was to give the team an extended break after the All Ireland.

At least Ryan and McGrath were both man enough to admit they got the preparation wrong. The league next year could be a non event which is a shame.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2329 - 13/06/2018 06:30:37    2110843

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Great analysis of the season there Wildpundit. I agree, I think the early bath this year will help in the long run. A win over Clare was only dragging out the inevitable by a couple of weeks.

I think Tipp and Waterford got their preparations all wrong for championship. Both seemed to have a sick bay to rival a World War 1 infirmary. I think the amount of injuries both teams had was a tell tale sign of getting the preparation wrong.

I'm guessing in Tipp's case they were over trained. Waterford came back late, I think the rationale there was to give the team an extended break after the All Ireland.

At least Ryan and McGrath were both man enough to admit they got the preparation wrong. The league next year could be a non event which is a shame."
The club games didn't help either I feel lads looked burnt out but look clubs are important too but other counties like Clare didn't play Championship and it's worked for them.
Think if we got out of Munster group as you say an AI QF was probably best with Galway or Kilkenny awaiting should we have come through a preliminary QF.
Will be a tough league with Limerick in the mix now no easy game and relegation could be on the cards.

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1561 - 13/06/2018 11:59:15    2110965

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Replying To WildPundit:  "The club games didn't help either I feel lads looked burnt out but look clubs are important too but other counties like Clare didn't play Championship and it's worked for them.
Think if we got out of Munster group as you say an AI QF was probably best with Galway or Kilkenny awaiting should we have come through a preliminary QF.
Will be a tough league with Limerick in the mix now no easy game and relegation could be on the cards."
This new championship structure has only made the club versus county issue worse. It will eventually come to an ugly collision.

Division 1b is the best thing that ever happened to Galway.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2329 - 13/06/2018 16:06:09    2111127

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Replying To WildPundit:  "Last time Tipp exited the championship this early was in June 1998 vs Waterford and it's exactly on this day in 1999 that Clare knocked us out in a replay.
That apart we carried poor enough league form into the championship. We beat a poor Waterford team Wexford should have beaten us and we scraped over what was at the time a cork team struggling.
Dublin had 11 points scored on us in ten mins and from there the warning signs started and gaps started to emerge.
Limerick if they had taken their scores had us beaten and it took two mistakes to gift us goals in league semi.
At this stage I was dreading the league final in nowlan park after watching them demolish wexford so I didn't travel and all this talk of a handy tipp win in kk background only further sowed the seeds of doubt and we were dually hammered by what is becoming a nice Kilkenny team not the teams of old but they still have that sense of ruthlessness that they can take a team apart when they hurl.
Munster Championship I think we went about it the wrong way. We entered with lots of injuries loss if form and too many players still unsure of their places. We never looked settled in any game and only upped the ante when we had to almost holding back at times. I think the 3 teams who progressed had that settled look about them Waterford were just pure unlucky with injuries ,officials and no home games.
I know some of the Tipp panel and word is after the Waterford game most of them were wrecked after 3 games some couldn't train this week. Even in the warm up Sunday you could see Clare flying into drills the Tipp lads just pucking the balls about.
Different game plan required for 2019 if we are to bounce back from this early exit.
Can't fault the players they died with their boots on Sunday but a fitter Clare team caught them down the home stretch. No complaints and this early season ending will do us a world of good.
Looking forward to rest of championship whatever it brings. May the best team win."
Good analysis. Don't fault management either though. Tipp are a brilliant side that have exited early. Kind of like KK in 2013, ye could win next two All Irelands. Glad Mick Ryan is staying on.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3662 - 13/06/2018 17:27:35    2111171

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "This new championship structure has only made the club versus county issue worse. It will eventually come to an ugly collision.

Division 1b is the best thing that ever happened to Galway."
While I wouldn't rather Tipp to be in 1B seems to have done no harm to Galway Limerick Wexford and Dublin.
Seems like a handy division to canter through and try out lots of new lads.
Plus your guaranteed a quarter final of league at worst!!!

WildPundit (Tipperary) - Posts: 1561 - 13/06/2018 18:03:31    2111185

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Replying To WildPundit:  "While I wouldn't rather Tipp to be in 1B seems to have done no harm to Galway Limerick Wexford and Dublin.
Seems like a handy division to canter through and try out lots of new lads.
Plus your guaranteed a quarter final of league at worst!!!"
Always inevitable under this new structure. No need for another league when there's already a league (round robin) within the championship structure. As things are, the National Hurling League is destined to be regarded as nothing more than another pre season competition. I wonder how long more will Alliance stick with it.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1110 - 13/06/2018 18:39:57    2111202

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Always inevitable under this new structure. No need for another league when there's already a league (round robin) within the championship structure. As things are, the National Hurling League is destined to be regarded as nothing more than another pre season competition. I wonder how long more will Alliance stick with it."
Yeah, the new championship structure is going to destroy it. Is there really any need for a Walsh Cup/ Munster league anymore?

Scrapping those competitions will give back some badly needed time to club competitions instead of flogging inter-county players in April.

I was listening Jamesie O'Connor and Tommy Dunne saying they wouldn't be able to get out of bed for a couple of days after a championship game 15 years ago. You can only guess how physically demanding the last 6 months have been and particularly the last 5 or 6 weeks on current inter-county hurlers.

Something will eventually give if they don't fix it.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2329 - 13/06/2018 19:13:40    2111210

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Replying To DonaldDuck:  "why give you Limerick/Clare any day?"
Basically Donald most people from other feel Tipp, KK and Cork have won enough. There is nothing anti Tipp, or indeed the other two, about this, it is just the way it is.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 13/06/2018 20:31:45    2111241

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "This summer has alot of similarities with 1955. Tipperary didn't make the Munster final after getting knocked out by Clare who also knocked out Cork I think. Limerick came with a very young fast team ' Mick Mackey's greyhounds' and took an unbackable Clare team to the cleaners in the Munster final. Wexford won the All Ireland that year beating Limerick in a good final."
No actually Peggy. Wexford beat us in the Semi Final and Galway in the Final that year

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1712 - 13/06/2018 20:34:25    2111243

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