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Competition gets underway this Friday night with games in Leinster & Ulster this weekend. I'm surprised at those odds given Kerry's record in the 21's in recent years and that their best 2 players won't be available to them as Clifford & O'Shea are more than likely to play Senior football. Galway & Donegal had very good minor teams in 2016 and both have a few players left over from last years 21's although did Jason McGee play against Cavan for the Seniors? As for the Dubs their a great price given their recent record. Kerry Evens Galway 5/1 Dublin 7/1 Mayo 10/1 Tyrone 10/1 Cork 12/1 Derry 12/1 Donegal 12/1 Kildare 12/1 Meath 20/1 Armagh 33/1 Roscommon 50/1 Laois 66/1 Monaghan 66/1 Offaly 66/1 Sligo 66/1 JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 22/05/2018 11:27:27 2102960 Link
Replying To JDF: "Competition gets underway this Friday night with games in Leinster & Ulster this weekend. I'm surprised at those odds given Kerry's record in the 21's in recent years and that their best 2 players won't be available to them as Clifford & O'Shea are more than likely to play Senior football. Galway & Donegal had very good minor teams in 2016 and both have a few players left over from last years 21's although did Jason McGee play against Cavan for the Seniors? As for the Dubs their a great price given their recent record. Kerry Evens Galway 5/1 Dublin 7/1 Mayo 10/1 Tyrone 10/1 Cork 12/1 Derry 12/1 Donegal 12/1 Kildare 12/1 Meath 20/1 Armagh 33/1 Roscommon 50/1 Laois 66/1 Monaghan 66/1 Offaly 66/1 Sligo 66/1" Jason McGee and Niall O'Donnell are with the under 20's this year although I think McGee is an injury doubt for the first game. Donegal have a good management team out in place so would be hopeful of them going far into the competition. They are missing a few through injury from the 2016 minor team but hope they're still strong enough to challenge. Expect Kerry and Galway to be very strong. Mobot (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 22/05/2018 12:41:13 2102990 Link
Replying To JDF: "Competition gets underway this Friday night with games in Leinster & Ulster this weekend. I'm surprised at those odds given Kerry's record in the 21's in recent years and that their best 2 players won't be available to them as Clifford & O'Shea are more than likely to play Senior football. Galway & Donegal had very good minor teams in 2016 and both have a few players left over from last years 21's although did Jason McGee play against Cavan for the Seniors? As for the Dubs their a great price given their recent record. Kerry Evens Galway 5/1 Dublin 7/1 Mayo 10/1 Tyrone 10/1 Cork 12/1 Derry 12/1 Donegal 12/1 Kildare 12/1 Meath 20/1 Armagh 33/1 Roscommon 50/1 Laois 66/1 Monaghan 66/1 Offaly 66/1 Sligo 66/1" Ya dubs at 7/1 is crazy and if I was a gambler I'd be putting the house and farm on them, Kerry we're going to be very light without Clifford and o'shea And we'll be lucky to get out of Munster as cork are decent. I'd have it between dubs Galway and Donegal although Donegal have a really hard route to the semifinal and Derry could have a big say in it too. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/05/2018 13:14:37 2102999 Link
Yeah Dublin will probably win this. ;) TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 22/05/2018 14:15:16 2103019 Link
Mayo are crazy odds at 10/1 and Roscommon at 50s when Roscommon beat them by 13 points last week. Neiter team will come anywhere close to it. Galway absolutely trashed Roscommon the week before. Between Kerry,Dublin and Galway for me Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 22/05/2018 14:56:48 2103033 Link
Replying To TheUsername: "Yeah Dublin will probably win this. ;)" No probably about it, it's a done deal now let the battle for second spot commence :-0 KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 22/05/2018 15:10:30 2103036 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "No probably about it, it's a done deal now let the battle for second spot commence :-0" not more of this nonsense !! superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2837 - 22/05/2018 16:10:41 2103057 Link
Replying To Cuckoosinging: "Mayo are crazy odds at 10/1 and Roscommon at 50s when Roscommon beat them by 13 points last week. Neiter team will come anywhere close to it. Galway absolutely trashed Roscommon the week before. Between Kerry,Dublin and Galway for me" Those games were at under 17 level. ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 22/05/2018 16:12:48 2103058 Link
Kerry worthy favourites but evens a woeful price without Clifford and possibly O'Shea. Is it going to be quarter finals or straight to semi finals for provincial winners? That would have a baring on things. I think Galway should be shorter as see them winning Connaught relatively easily. They would be my fancy to go all the way right now. If u go back to the AI minor final against Kerry they were largely the better team but got roasted by Clifford. For me without question the worst price there is Mayo. Unless something dramatically has changed over the last 2 years we do not know about they should be 33/1 in my book. Again Dublin are sure to be strong. Much will depend on who is available or not for all teams but no doubt the rule changes plays most into the hands of Dublin. The dark horses in Leinster could be Offaly who have had some relatively decent underage teams recently outside of the Dubs. As for Donegal the draw is tricky. Big boost to have Jason McGee and Niall O'Donnell available as all the signs were earlier in the year that this would not be the case. They seem to have a strong management in place but looks like Eoghan McGettigan and Enda McCormick will be missing for a portion or all of the championship. Those 2 were 2 of Donegal's best forwards from the minors. Plus Jason McGee is back training as had alot of injury problems after getting mishandled by the previous senior management regime. Saying that 12/1 is a fair price when u consider Mayo are 10/1. Along with Donegal in Ulster Derry and probably Tyrone would be favourites. A possible dark horse is Antrim as back in 2016 Donegal were lucky to beat them in Belfast. However it will be a leap of faith to strongly fancy Antrim given their lack of consistency at underage level. As always with underage teams alot is guesswork given new players introduced that were slow developers or players already there who have developed rapidly over the last 12 months. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 22/05/2018 17:12:34 2103076 Link
Replying To ROS1: "Those games were at under 17 level." Aw true enough they were. Cuckoosinging (Roscommon) - Posts: 992 - 22/05/2018 18:21:36 2103092 Link
A championship played at the wrong time of year where a number of players have exams to sit and won't be able to play also pure nonsense that some of the best U20 footballers won't be allowed to play because they are with the seniors instead that totally de-values the championship right away. For what its worth I think Galway are great value at 5/1 and they will likely go on to play Kerry in the All Ireland final. Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 22/05/2018 18:50:20 2103101 Link
Replying To JDF: "Competition gets underway this Friday night with games in Leinster & Ulster this weekend. I'm surprised at those odds given Kerry's record in the 21's in recent years and that their best 2 players won't be available to them as Clifford & O'Shea are more than likely to play Senior football. Galway & Donegal had very good minor teams in 2016 and both have a few players left over from last years 21's although did Jason McGee play against Cavan for the Seniors? As for the Dubs their a great price given their recent record. Kerry Evens Galway 5/1 Dublin 7/1 Mayo 10/1 Tyrone 10/1 Cork 12/1 Derry 12/1 Donegal 12/1 Kildare 12/1 Meath 20/1 Armagh 33/1 Roscommon 50/1 Laois 66/1 Monaghan 66/1 Offaly 66/1 Sligo 66/1" I think as well as Clifford and o shea you can add the very promising Kerry full back Jason foley who would been on that Kerry u 20 team that's 3 of the best around at u 20level who wont be able to play as it seems certain they will all feature for Kerry seniors still cant believe they got rid of a brilliant u 21 competition rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 23/05/2018 00:19:26 2103165 Link
correction to earlier post Jason foley is overage for u 20 rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 23/05/2018 00:23:19 2103166 Link
Do Leaving Certs have to wait until after their last exam before they can play? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 23/05/2018 10:35:58 2103211 Link
Replying To rhudson: "I think as well as Clifford and o shea you can add the very promising Kerry full back Jason foley who would been on that Kerry u 20 team that's 3 of the best around at u 20level who wont be able to play as it seems certain they will all feature for Kerry seniors still cant believe they got rid of a brilliant u 21 competition" I agree it was madness changing it from U21s to U20s and they left the hurling the way it was, also I don't agree with them changing the age of minor from U18 to U17s. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/05/2018 12:23:29 2103243 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "I agree it was madness changing it from U21s to U20s and they left the hurling the way it was, also I don't agree with them changing the age of minor from U18 to U17s." Completely agree rule changes for the sake of them and should never have got through. Like if done with player welfare in mind surely hurling would have changed too. Plus nothing put in place for players who were minors in 2015 and under 21 this year. I know in Donegal there are a few decent players who would not have been on last years U-21 team but could have made real progression this year at U-21 but just forgotten. Ironically enough I thought the rule changes and players not being available if involved with the senior squad would really benefit Dublin and Kerry the most but it seems Kerry will probably be the team hit hardest by this nonsense ruling. Looked very unlikely that 2 of Donegal's best minors from 2016 in Jason McGee and Niall O'Donnell would be with the seniors but circumstances have changed where they now are available (In Jason's case injury curtailed his progress when faced with too much too soon last year). Like how does that promote the growth of the game in some of the so called weaker counties. Players will be with the seniors in alot of cases possibly harming the chances of success with players in their age category. As they say success breeds success prime example been the Westmeath and Laois teams of the late 90's and noughties. That would just not happen now. panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 23/05/2018 17:34:11 2103349 Link
The Mayo u20 team is decent this year. Could surprise a few. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11227 - 23/05/2018 22:24:09 2103406 Link
Replying To panamasam: "Completely agree rule changes for the sake of them and should never have got through. Like if done with player welfare in mind surely hurling would have changed too. Plus nothing put in place for players who were minors in 2015 and under 21 this year. I know in Donegal there are a few decent players who would not have been on last years U-21 team but could have made real progression this year at U-21 but just forgotten. Ironically enough I thought the rule changes and players not being available if involved with the senior squad would really benefit Dublin and Kerry the most but it seems Kerry will probably be the team hit hardest by this nonsense ruling. Looked very unlikely that 2 of Donegal's best minors from 2016 in Jason McGee and Niall O'Donnell would be with the seniors but circumstances have changed where they now are available (In Jason's case injury curtailed his progress when faced with too much too soon last year). Like how does that promote the growth of the game in some of the so called weaker counties. Players will be with the seniors in alot of cases possibly harming the chances of success with players in their age category. As they say success breeds success prime example been the Westmeath and Laois teams of the late 90's and noughties. That would just not happen now." Excellent post and I agree with you 100%. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/05/2018 22:41:08 2103410 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "The Mayo u20 team is decent this year. Could surprise a few." Will the majority of the team come from the minor team of 2 years ago? JDF (Galway) - Posts: 322 - 24/05/2018 15:00:28 2103574 Link
Replying To panamasam: "Completely agree rule changes for the sake of them and should never have got through. Like if done with player welfare in mind surely hurling would have changed too. Plus nothing put in place for players who were minors in 2015 and under 21 this year. I know in Donegal there are a few decent players who would not have been on last years U-21 team but could have made real progression this year at U-21 but just forgotten. Ironically enough I thought the rule changes and players not being available if involved with the senior squad would really benefit Dublin and Kerry the most but it seems Kerry will probably be the team hit hardest by this nonsense ruling. Looked very unlikely that 2 of Donegal's best minors from 2016 in Jason McGee and Niall O'Donnell would be with the seniors but circumstances have changed where they now are available (In Jason's case injury curtailed his progress when faced with too much too soon last year). Like how does that promote the growth of the game in some of the so called weaker counties. Players will be with the seniors in alot of cases possibly harming the chances of success with players in their age category. As they say success breeds success prime example been the Westmeath and Laois teams of the late 90's and noughties. That would just not happen now." I really admire the passion and commitment behind your post mate, but i would say its a little misleading, Dublin are historically poor at minor level for many different reasons. Im not so sure we are the benchmark at that level with only 11 titles in our history 1930, '45, '54, '55, '56, '58, '59, '79, '82, '84, 2012. I think we have won 33 odd in Leinster which a poor return across the grades. All the more remarkable given the lack of success at minor but the massive success at U21 in quick succession. Im not so sure its that telling toward the senior game to be honest, some counties go out for titles others use it as a vehicle for development and experimentation. Dublin didnt win 1 minor title in 00's and one in 2012 but went on to dominate the decade at senior. I think Dublin have an development approach to minor myself, its about playing games and exposure, less so about the end result, not that they dont go out to be competitive but its all about collecting the cream for senior at the end of the day, the U21's/20's is finishing school and the harvesting of that developed with an eye to senior, the difference between success between the grades is evident so the approach has been worthwhile. TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4445 - 24/05/2018 18:14:10 2103650 Link