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Replying To perfect10:  "who says munster is more competitive?
wexford,dublin,kilkenny have played games decided by less than a score. both games in munster had bigger margins of defeat.
only offaly have been beaten by more and that could change this weekend.
offaly were only beaten by kilkenny by 3-4 points more than the margin in the two games in munster last weekend.
time to stop believing the hype."
It's not hype really. The results bear it out. Tipp are the form team in Munster the last few year's but since 2010 limerick, waterford and Cork have won Munster finals.
Dublin in 2012? are the only Leinster team to stop the Kilkenny juggernaut.
Excluding Galway the Leinster counties have not been competitive at provincial level.
I know things are evening up a bit but is that more to do with Kilkenny not being as good as they were as any massive improvement out of Leinster counties.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 421 - 25/05/2018 13:32:04    2103779

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Replying To skillet:  "It's not hype really. The results bear it out. Tipp are the form team in Munster the last few year's but since 2010 limerick, waterford and Cork have won Munster finals.
Dublin in 2012? are the only Leinster team to stop the Kilkenny juggernaut.
Excluding Galway the Leinster counties have not been competitive at provincial level.
I know things are evening up a bit but is that more to do with Kilkenny not being as good as they were as any massive improvement out of Leinster counties."
but kilkenny also wiped the floor with most of munster in that era....only tipp could topple them at their prime.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2906 - 25/05/2018 14:40:47    2103787

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Replying To perfect10:  "but kilkenny also wiped the floor with most of munster in that era....only tipp could topple them at their prime."
No argument from me there.. They were a beast to come up against. I'm talking provincial hurling, but to be honest this kind of conversation could go round in circles.
Kilkennys dominance made Leinster impossible for the rest of you. Outside of the provinces If it wasn't for them Tipp could have won another 2or3 all Irelands..

All I'm saying is I think the hype as you called it was justified about Munster hurling. It's been very competitive consistently. On a given day any of 5teams could beat each other.

If Kilkenny were here no one might have won a thing for a decade. But ye had the pleasure of their company.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 421 - 25/05/2018 16:18:02    2103806

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Question for Limerick posters - where did you get that PeggyShippin fellah?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 25/05/2018 16:25:14    2103811

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Replying To perfect10:  "but kilkenny also wiped the floor with most of munster in that era....only tipp could topple them at their prime."
Since 2010
Kilkenny were beaten by Cork in 2013, Waterford last year and given good close matches by the same opposition in 2011 and 2016. In 2014 they were held to a draw by Tipp and only beat Limerick by two points at the death, and of course they were comprehensively beaten by Tipp in both 10 and 16. I think your wiping 'the floor remark since 2010' is a bit overblown, while utterly agreeing that for much of the previous decade they did indeed wipe the floor with all comers.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1655 - 25/05/2018 17:55:43    2103825

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What do yez think of the Lein relegation conundrum ? Expand Lein to 6 - and do the same with Muns ? Why not the 6th in both replaced with the Joe Mc Cup Finalists each year ?
And each team plays 3 rather then 4 group matches to allow better spacing of games - say, every 2 weeks, or play 2 every 3 weeks ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 1313 - 26/05/2018 04:02:45    2103896

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Replying To omahant:  "What do yez think of the Lein relegation conundrum ? Expand Lein to 6 - and do the same with Muns ? Why not the 6th in both replaced with the Joe Mc Cup Finalists each year ?
And each team plays 3 rather then 4 group matches to allow better spacing of games - say, every 2 weeks, or play 2 every 3 weeks ?"
Please don't clutter up this thread with possible alternative championship formations.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 756 - 26/05/2018 08:33:44    2103902

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Replying To Pinkie:  "Question for Limerick posters - where did you get that PeggyShippin fellah?"
I don't know Pinkie but if we ignore him he might go back there!

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 756 - 26/05/2018 08:35:39    2103903

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Replying To perfect10:  "who says munster is more competitive?
wexford,dublin,kilkenny have played games decided by less than a score. both games in munster had bigger margins of defeat.
only offaly have been beaten by more and that could change this weekend.
offaly were only beaten by kilkenny by 3-4 points more than the margin in the two games in munster last weekend.
time to stop believing the hype."
Well you said tipp would win it at a canter so maybe you need to start paying heed to the results

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2479 - 26/05/2018 09:26:07    2103917

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bet by cork in 2013 with an un-fit shefflin sent off who had drove kilkenny to so much succes.....

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2906 - 26/05/2018 10:10:19    2103930

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Replying To perfect10:  "bet by cork in 2013 with an un-fit shefflin sent off who had drove kilkenny to so much succes....."
Pinkie
Liam Griffin said in 1996 'winners are winners, losers make excuses'

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 1655 - 26/05/2018 10:24:06    2103933

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Let's try to get this thread back on track.

I think Tipp will throw the kitchen sink at Cork tomorrow but the trouble for us is Cork's tails are up and they are very difficult to stop when they are confident. I hope we shut down the Nash puckout this year, we gave the cork wing forwards too much space last year. I feel bad for Heffernan, I thought he did ok against Limerick. Callanan looked sharp and mobile when he came on as did the two mahers. Having the three of them named in the starting 15 is a massive boost to a much-bruised morale. I am going to very tentatively back my own county simply because we have home advantage. If the game was in Cork I would be tipping them instead.

Before I heard that Gleeson and Mahony were out injured I would have been more confident of a Waterford win. I think Clare has a very good side but just seem to lack that one or two players to make them contenders. I think that sums up how competitive the hurling landscape is at the minute. In a funny way no Gleeson might be a blessing in disguise because he doesn't tend to be a team player and whoever comes in, in his place might actually past the ball to a better-placed teammate than trying to land glory scores from distance. The romanticist in me thinks Waterford will give it one more push under McGrath and I am very tentatively backing Waterford in this one.

How does everyone else see these games going?

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2312 - 26/05/2018 18:02:14    2103997

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Let's try to get this thread back on track.

I think Tipp will throw the kitchen sink at Cork tomorrow but the trouble for us is Cork's tails are up and they are very difficult to stop when they are confident. I hope we shut down the Nash puckout this year, we gave the cork wing forwards too much space last year. I feel bad for Heffernan, I thought he did ok against Limerick. Callanan looked sharp and mobile when he came on as did the two mahers. Having the three of them named in the starting 15 is a massive boost to a much-bruised morale. I am going to very tentatively back my own county simply because we have home advantage. If the game was in Cork I would be tipping them instead.

Before I heard that Gleeson and Mahony were out injured I would have been more confident of a Waterford win. I think Clare has a very good side but just seem to lack that one or two players to make them contenders. I think that sums up how competitive the hurling landscape is at the minute. In a funny way no Gleeson might be a blessing in disguise because he doesn't tend to be a team player and whoever comes in, in his place might actually past the ball to a better-placed teammate than trying to land glory scores from distance. The romanticist in me thinks Waterford will give it one more push under McGrath and I am very tentatively backing Waterford in this one.

How does everyone else see these games going?"
Hard to disagree with anything you wrote there.
Can't wait for Tipp v Cork. Think it'll be a cracking match.
Tipp have a more settled look already and how much of a loss will Cadogan be for Cork? At a push I'd call it for Tipperary.

Don't know what to think about the other match. What form waterford bring will be interesting. Think Clare will be too strong in this one.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 421 - 26/05/2018 22:06:19    2104035

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Let's try to get this thread back on track.

I think Tipp will throw the kitchen sink at Cork tomorrow but the trouble for us is Cork's tails are up and they are very difficult to stop when they are confident. I hope we shut down the Nash puckout this year, we gave the cork wing forwards too much space last year. I feel bad for Heffernan, I thought he did ok against Limerick. Callanan looked sharp and mobile when he came on as did the two mahers. Having the three of them named in the starting 15 is a massive boost to a much-bruised morale. I am going to very tentatively back my own county simply because we have home advantage. If the game was in Cork I would be tipping them instead.

Before I heard that Gleeson and Mahony were out injured I would have been more confident of a Waterford win. I think Clare has a very good side but just seem to lack that one or two players to make them contenders. I think that sums up how competitive the hurling landscape is at the minute. In a funny way no Gleeson might be a blessing in disguise because he doesn't tend to be a team player and whoever comes in, in his place might actually past the ball to a better-placed teammate than trying to land glory scores from distance. The romanticist in me thinks Waterford will give it one more push under McGrath and I am very tentatively backing Waterford in this one.

How does everyone else see these games going?"
I've a slight fancy for Cork and Waterford to win today

pj_mcmanus (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 27/05/2018 08:36:14    2104065

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The Tipp game all comes down to how Tipperary start and if the hunger is there. I think they will be hungry and If Seamus Kennedy is steady and Ronan Maher is solid then it augurs well. Callinan can't have a full 70 in him but if Tipp build up abit of a lead they could be ok. However I see Cork starting like a train and Tipp not being able to live with them due to low confidence and lack of pace in the backs.
Austin Gleeson coming off the bench even of half fit could be better than a half fit Gleeson starting and trying hail Mary shots. He ll get to see whats needed and maybe be more measured in his approach looking on from the bench. Pauric Mahoney is a huge loss though.
Clare have to have a big game in them..but they haven't been clinical and lack leaders. Again if Waterford stay with Clare until the 55 to 60 min then they'll be experienced enough to see it out. I think that Clare might struggle today but the Cusack Park crowd and and great start might be enough.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 300 - 27/05/2018 08:36:36    2104066

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Pinkie
Liam Griffin said in 1996 'winners are winners, losers make excuses'"
that was me,not Pinkie! fair point though.
anyway,back to hurling,i think tipp will be out for revenge today and will win,but cork will not fear them.
the other one depends on which waterford turn up,i think the game played will stand to clare and they will win.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2906 - 27/05/2018 10:43:13    2104093

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Up the Rebels

pj_mcmanus (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 27/05/2018 13:00:21    2104121

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Fantastic first half from Cork. Tipp lucky to only be losing by 9pts..

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 421 - 27/05/2018 14:33:21    2104133

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Great come back from Tipp..
could have gone either way in the end.
Cracking second half. Have to say as a Limerick man delighted with that result! :)

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 421 - 27/05/2018 15:34:19    2104139

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Fair play to Tipp they were pretty awful in first half and written off by pundits . They'll not get out of jail if they do that again the next day though.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 1796 - 27/05/2018 15:41:05    2104142

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