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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "21000 double what was in Wexford park."
yeah,still sounds a bit low for this munster championship which tourists think of when they think of ireland......

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2385 - 25/05/2018 12:36:34    2103775

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Replying To perfect10:  "yeah,still sounds a bit low for this munster championship which tourists think of when they think of ireland......"
Strawberries are still abit sour I see. The Munster Championship being a bigger competition than the rest of Ireland championship isn't even a debate. Why is this even an issue. You could knock about 10 all irelands off Kilkenny if they had to come through Munster over the decades, through the attrittional nature of having 5 strong counties almost all the time.
Lets leave that aside and focus on the feast of hurling in store over the next few weeks. I'm sure Wexford will be in the thick of it.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 192 - 25/05/2018 13:07:31    2103778

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Strawberries are still abit sour I see. The Munster Championship being a bigger competition than the rest of Ireland championship isn't even a debate. Why is this even an issue. You could knock about 10 all irelands off Kilkenny if they had to come through Munster over the decades, through the attrittional nature of having 5 strong counties almost all the time.
Lets leave that aside and focus on the feast of hurling in store over the next few weeks. I'm sure Wexford will be in the thick of it."
Peggy, are your posts genuine or are you just another internet troll, a successful one at that? To say KK would've had ten less AI's if they'd been in Munster is beyond laughable. Been quite a while since a Munster team has one more than one in a row. This holding on to the past glory days of the Munster Championship is getting silly. Great teams in Munster*, but your comment is quite a stretch.

* I'm loving the current Limerick team though, some fight in them boys that's not in any doubt.

Gowran_Yank (Kilkenny) - Posts: 15 - 25/05/2018 14:12:15    2103784

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Replying To Gowran_Yank:  "Peggy, are your posts genuine or are you just another internet troll, a successful one at that? To say KK would've had ten less AI's if they'd been in Munster is beyond laughable. Been quite a while since a Munster team has one more than one in a row. This holding on to the past glory days of the Munster Championship is getting silly. Great teams in Munster*, but your comment is quite a stretch.

* I'm loving the current Limerick team though, some fight in them boys that's not in any doubt."
he is just a wind up merchant.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2385 - 25/05/2018 14:39:28    2103786

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Strawberries are still abit sour I see. The Munster Championship being a bigger competition than the rest of Ireland championship isn't even a debate. Why is this even an issue. You could knock about 10 all irelands off Kilkenny if they had to come through Munster over the decades, through the attrittional nature of having 5 strong counties almost all the time.
Lets leave that aside and focus on the feast of hurling in store over the next few weeks. I'm sure Wexford will be in the thick of it."
"Strawberries are still abit sour I see." They may be sour, but there not hallucinogenic.

You could knock about 10 all irelands off Kilkenny if they had to come through Munster over the decades, through the attrittional nature of having 5 strong counties almost all the time.

The top five Munster Champions by county: Cork 52, Tipp 42, Limerick 19, Waterford 9, Clare 6. Hardly "having 5 strong counties almost all the time"

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 490 - 25/05/2018 15:01:55    2103792

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Strawberries are still abit sour I see." They may be sour, but there not hallucinogenic.

You could knock about 10 all irelands off Kilkenny if they had to come through Munster over the decades, through the attrittional nature of having 5 strong counties almost all the time.

The top five Munster Champions by county: Cork 52, Tipp 42, Limerick 19, Waterford 9, Clare 6. Hardly "having 5 strong counties almost all the time""
Cockney_Cat: Maybe Peggy means 5 strong counties as in they are hurling dominant counties. Whereas Connacht, Ulster, and Leinster are mostly loaded with football dominant counties.

Peggy: if your logic was true about KK having 10 less All Irelands if they were in Munster then my county Galway and even Antrim should have far more All Irelands as we avoided being in Munster too.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 25/05/2018 15:35:12    2103798

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""Strawberries are still abit sour I see." They may be sour, but there not hallucinogenic.

You could knock about 10 all irelands off Kilkenny if they had to come through Munster over the decades, through the attrittional nature of having 5 strong counties almost all the time.

The top five Munster Champions by county: Cork 52, Tipp 42, Limerick 19, Waterford 9, Clare 6. Hardly "having 5 strong counties almost all the time""
Your statistics for Munster championship wins is accurate but I don't see the relevance. It's a misnomer. Waterford ,Clare and Limerick would all have many more provincial championship wins if they had been in Leinster.
Look at this possible scenario if Kilkenny were in Munster over the years. Limerick away in the Gaelic grounds in the first round then Tipp away in Thurles for the semi followed by Cork away in the Munster Final. Other years the draw could be kinder obviously with home games ect. Now some of the great Kilkenny teams over the years would and could have navigated that path but they wouldn't have done it too often and they'd have a few more scars than if they were playing Offaly and Dublin. So 10 less All Ireland would probably be conservative.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 192 - 25/05/2018 16:05:33    2103804

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It's a misnomer. Waterford ,Clare and Limerick would all have many more provincial championship wins if they had been in Leinster.

On what basis do you make that statement? And you have completely contradicted yourself by the way.
Munster hurling had a glory years in the 1990's, just like Leinster, because the giants were asleep. But with the exception of that era, Tipp and Cork have dominated Munster in the same way Kilkenny have dominated Leinster.
And Wexford and Offaly were nearly men to Kilkenny in the 1980's and 1990's - Waterford, Clare and Limerick were shipping regular hammerings back then bar the odd moral victory, so that argument holds no weight either.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4042 - 25/05/2018 16:24:32    2103809

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Galway supporters are staying very quiet this week! I've plenty of friends around galway and there's a nervous excitement around the place I think. Even if they won't admit it, Galway are clear favourites now for the all Ireland. I harped on all year last year about their approach of not going for goals and I didn't think they'd win an all Ireland playing like that. Too early to say but this year that approach seems to have changed and if it has then there's no team in the country that will stop them. Genuinely don't see kilkenny getting close to them...but that's a dangerous statement!
I expect wexford to be a bigger test. I'll have the game on Sunday recorded and will watch it back Sunday night!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 2345 - 26/05/2018 09:36:29    2103920

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Galway supporters are staying very quiet this week! I've plenty of friends around galway and there's a nervous excitement around the place I think. Even if they won't admit it, Galway are clear favourites now for the all Ireland. I harped on all year last year about their approach of not going for goals and I didn't think they'd win an all Ireland playing like that. Too early to say but this year that approach seems to have changed and if it has then there's no team in the country that will stop them. Genuinely don't see kilkenny getting close to them...but that's a dangerous statement!
I expect wexford to be a bigger test. I'll have the game on Sunday recorded and will watch it back Sunday night!"
Funny that it takes a Tipp man to bring the thread back to what it's supposed to be about -- the Leinster hurling championship!

I honestly don't know what to expect in our match against KK tomorrow. There's been a lot of talk about Galway winning it but anyone who would dismiss KK in any match is a fool. Tomorrow will tell us a lot about where Galway are at in terms of defending their title because KK will not go down without a fight. I'll be happy with a one point win. I wouldn't imagine there's been any difference in emphasis from us this year about going for goals. Its just that last year most teams we played had a sweeper (Offaly had 2) so taking long range points made the most sense. This year, there may be fewer sweepers being employed (Offaly didn't have one) so therefore the possibility of creating and making goal chances has increased.

In the other match, I think Offaly will put it up to Wexford but will fall short by a few points.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 956 - 26/05/2018 11:40:29    2103945

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "Funny that it takes a Tipp man to bring the thread back to what it's supposed to be about -- the Leinster hurling championship!

I honestly don't know what to expect in our match against KK tomorrow. There's been a lot of talk about Galway winning it but anyone who would dismiss KK in any match is a fool. Tomorrow will tell us a lot about where Galway are at in terms of defending their title because KK will not go down without a fight. I'll be happy with a one point win. I wouldn't imagine there's been any difference in emphasis from us this year about going for goals. Its just that last year most teams we played had a sweeper (Offaly had 2) so taking long range points made the most sense. This year, there may be fewer sweepers being employed (Offaly didn't have one) so therefore the possibility of creating and making goal chances has increased.

In the other match, I think Offaly will put it up to Wexford but will fall short by a few points."
Don't worry its the same problem on the Munster Championship thread :)

As a neutral, I think everything points to a Galway win: All-Ireland champions, home advantage, first Leinster championship game in Salthill, no game last week, settled established team in their prime. Kilkenny are very good but all it will take is for one or two of their young guns to fall short. The Cody effect is definitely worth at least a couple of points, I think it will be an absolute belter of a game with Galway winning.

Martin has already done a great job at lifting standards in Offaly. They will fight tooth and nail to win this one. Wexford showed last we that they can keep their cool in the dying minutes of a game and I think they will do something similar this weekend. Even in the post-match interview Davy's talk about Offaly seemed very respectful and focussed on the fact that Offaly has a great home record against Wexford. With that focus, Wexford should have enough to get over the line.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2145 - 26/05/2018 18:08:39    2103999

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Don't worry its the same problem on the Munster Championship thread :)

As a neutral, I think everything points to a Galway win: All-Ireland champions, home advantage, first Leinster championship game in Salthill, no game last week, settled established team in their prime. Kilkenny are very good but all it will take is for one or two of their young guns to fall short. The Cody effect is definitely worth at least a couple of points, I think it will be an absolute belter of a game with Galway winning.

Martin has already done a great job at lifting standards in Offaly. They will fight tooth and nail to win this one. Wexford showed last we that they can keep their cool in the dying minutes of a game and I think they will do something similar this weekend. Even in the post-match interview Davy's talk about Offaly seemed very respectful and focussed on the fact that Offaly has a great home record against Wexford. With that focus, Wexford should have enough to get over the line."
Poor Offaly are in for a pasting here.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2145 - 26/05/2018 19:54:20    2104015

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Poor Offaly are in for a pasting here."
That's a scary scoreline for Offaly hurling.
I know Wexford are a strong outfit but I
really thought Offaly would give them a good game in Tullamore.
The game was over as a contest after 20 minutes.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 102 - 26/05/2018 20:23:06    2104018

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I thought offaly had levelled out..meaning were not going to get any worse from where they were going last 12 years...maybe im wrong now

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 319 - 26/05/2018 20:33:01    2104021

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Replying To Past hurler:  "That's a scary scoreline for Offaly hurling.
I know Wexford are a strong outfit but I
really thought Offaly would give them a good game in Tullamore.
The game was over as a contest after 20 minutes."
There's been a campaign to keep Offaly out of Mcdonagh cup even if they get relegated.

They would be better off there playing Laois, Carlow and Antrim for a few years as these beatings can't be helping

carlovia (None) - Posts: 763 - 26/05/2018 21:22:03    2104028

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Replying To carlovia:  "There's been a campaign to keep Offaly out of Mcdonagh cup even if they get relegated.

They would be better off there playing Laois, Carlow and Antrim for a few years as these beatings can't be helping"
Yeah, they are clearly the worst team of the 10. I completely understand Leinster's frustration about the bottom team there being relegated but at the same time you'd imagine that the 5 Munster teams are that bit ahead of Offaly too.

Even one season in the Joe McDonagh mount be enough for them to regroup and go again.

They need to bring through some good underage teams too because I don't remember Offaly have a good Minor or under 21 team in a long time. Wexford on the other hand have had plenty of good underage teams and are starting to reap the benefits now at senior grade.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2145 - 26/05/2018 22:58:49    2104045

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Sad to see Offaly get that thumping. They put in a tremendous effort over the last few weeks and I think that caught up with them. Wexford put up a high score and that 'll do wonders for their confidence.
Galway v Kilkenny today ought to be a humdinger. If no doubt that there's a giddy buzz around Galway but that brings its own pressure. Kilkenny are the ultimate test even though they aren't as strong as they were. Will Richie Hogan get some game time and is Walter Walsh fully fit? Hard to see past Galway. They need this.
Pity Pearse stadium can only hold 26000. Surely a relatively new stadium for a county the size of Galway should be bigger.

PeggyShippen (Limerick) - Posts: 192 - 27/05/2018 08:44:17    2104068

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Replying To PeggyShippen:  "Sad to see Offaly get that thumping. They put in a tremendous effort over the last few weeks and I think that caught up with them. Wexford put up a high score and that 'll do wonders for their confidence.
Galway v Kilkenny today ought to be a humdinger. If no doubt that there's a giddy buzz around Galway but that brings its own pressure. Kilkenny are the ultimate test even though they aren't as strong as they were. Will Richie Hogan get some game time and is Walter Walsh fully fit? Hard to see past Galway. They need this.
Pity Pearse stadium can only hold 26000. Surely a relatively new stadium for a county the size of Galway should be bigger."
Its not that often packed to capacity and I don't think it will be today either. Think capacity used to be over 30k but with ever tighter health and safety regulations a number of thousands have been knocked off it.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 956 - 27/05/2018 09:31:52    2104075

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i take no pleasure as a hurling/football man beating offaly by that margin (we recieved plenty of them in our bleakest years),but the scoreboard doesn't lie.i wasnt at the game myself but i hear somebody say it was the poorest performance they have ever seen from an offaly team.
i do think the system is farcical in that the munster teams are completely insulated from relegation,but the tables dont lie.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 2385 - 27/05/2018 10:41:07    2104090

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Do anybody know what situation is if teams finish level on points ? My understanding is its score difference for 3 teams and head to head for 2 is this correct? You would have to think one more win should be good enough for us now. Looking forward to todays game. Hard to know which result would favour us. Probably a Kilkenny win as it would mean a win in the park next weekend puts us through to a Leinster final. Would be very difficult going to Nowlan park in the final game needing a win theres a lot of hurling to be played before then. Group will become a lot clearer today!

Afinestick (Wexford) - Posts: 331 - 27/05/2018 12:07:28    2104109

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