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Tier 2 Media Coverage

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So now that the tier 2 competition is on the way, there have been a number of statements from high ranking officials in the GAA saying that it will get plenty media coverage. I just feel that this is lip service and when the time comes it will come to a few seconds on the Sunday game coverage and not much more in the papers. I think the only way of ensuring it gets plenty of coverage and exposure is to allow TG4 the rights to broadcast it. They have proven themselves as an excellent broadcaster of the national league and also the club championship. They will promote it and ensure that it will be available on free to air.

boomerang (Mayo) - Posts: 28 - 22/10/2019 12:17:14    2244922

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My guess is that the tier 2 championship will get roughly the same coverage as the current lower tiers in Hurling and the old Tommy Murphy Cup.

But the turkeys voted for christmas, so let them now reap the rewards.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8292 - 22/10/2019 13:13:06    2244937

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There are a few football counties in Division 3 with a high profile. Offaly in the Christy Ring have a higher profile than any McDonagh county. Division 3 counties have made provincial finals. The crowds are low in the McDonagh Cup and lower hurling tiers. If Division 3 counties can bring crowds, it will make the games more marketable. The carrot is there of winning Tier 2 to guarantee a qualifier spot in the following year. The voting in of Tier 2 has gotten plenty of coverage. It has ingredients to be successful. Proof of the pudding...

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 22/10/2019 13:35:29    2244951

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It will get plenty of media coverage.

In general there does be plenty of coverage of GAA stars heading to the states etc in the summer once their county is knocked out of championship and the Tommy Murphy cup mark 2 isnt going to change that.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 829 - 22/10/2019 13:56:08    2244957

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Replying To Htaem:  "My guess is that the tier 2 championship will get roughly the same coverage as the current lower tiers in Hurling and the old Tommy Murphy Cup.

But the turkeys voted for christmas, so let them now reap the rewards."
Do division 3 and 4 teams get much coverage as it stands?

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 1646 - 22/10/2019 15:33:08    2244980

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Replying To wexico15:  "Do division 3 and 4 teams get much coverage as it stands?"
Nope, and they'll get even less going forward.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8292 - 22/10/2019 17:25:01    2245009

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Replying To wexico15:  "Do division 3 and 4 teams get much coverage as it stands?"
I agree it's being made a bigger consideration than it should be.

The core aim of the improved structures should be about getting more meaningful games for teams.

That's where the new system fails more than anything.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2746 - 22/10/2019 18:06:24    2245020

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Replying To Htaem:  "My guess is that the tier 2 championship will get roughly the same coverage as the current lower tiers in Hurling and the old Tommy Murphy Cup.

But the turkeys voted for christmas, so let them now reap the rewards."
I don't think most lower tier teams get much coverage to begin with.

And as for the hurling the little coverage the lower tiers get is way more than they got before.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 319 - 22/10/2019 18:34:34    2245028

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Coverage is a bit of a non-issue but I do think John Horan stating he has a text from the head of sport at RTE about being confident the second tier competition would receive live coverage just highlights the complete lack of thought and foresight in all this. and how disconnected they are from the reality of playing GAA

"Look, we're fundamentally changing the premier competition of our biggest sport, I know there's a lot of grumbling about it but sure look I have a text here that says they'll all be on TV" I'm sure that's what lads killing themselves in training all winter are worried about

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 958 - 23/10/2019 09:07:51    2245140

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Replying To wexico15:  "Do division 3 and 4 teams get much coverage as it stands?"
I dont understand this. The way people are talking about coverage etc you'd think the Div 3/4 teams are getting wall to wall coverage as it is

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 229 - 23/10/2019 09:54:29    2245151

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Replying To oneoff:  "I dont understand this. The way people are talking about coverage etc you'd think the Div 3/4 teams are getting wall to wall coverage as it is"
Relegation from Division 2 and promotion from Division 3 will get more coverage next year. They'll be the only games with the most to play for.

Winning Tier 2 guarantees a place in Tier 1. That should motivate counties with an ambition to challenge for provincial titles. Win at your level and use it as a spring board for more success.

Down, Louth and Longford missed out on promotion to Division 2 this year. If that happens next year, winning the Tier 2 could set them up to have a good run during the summer and give them something to build on.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 23/10/2019 13:04:43    2245211

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If a Div3 or 4 team goes on a run in the championship they'll get at least some coverage. Now granted it doesn't happen very often but the chance is still there.

Tommy Murphy 2 will get the same coverage as Tommy Murphy 1 did and the lower hurling tiers currently get.

Now if I'm wrong then fair enough but I've never seen the slightest bit of evidence to suggest that either the Gaa or the media cares one jot about anything but the top teams.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8292 - 23/10/2019 13:31:49    2245222

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If the GAA were really serious about the tier 2 championship, then the final of this competition should be the curtain raiser to the All Ireland senior football final. In other words, it should replace the minor final. Even those who are lucky enough to get a ticket for the All Ireland final usually don't bother turning up in time for the minor final.

SligoCody (Sligo) - Posts: 74 - 23/10/2019 13:48:11    2245228

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Replying To Breezy:  "I don't think most lower tier teams get much coverage to begin with.

And as for the hurling the little coverage the lower tiers get is way more than they got before."
Totally agree, I don't buy the argument that tiered doesn't work in hurling and won't work in football.

It does work in hurling gives teams a realistic goal to aim for, I doubt the hurlers of Laois, meath, sligo & leitrim would tell you tiered doesn't work after lifting silverware in croke park in june

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 1646 - 23/10/2019 14:06:50    2245231

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Replying To Htaem:  "If a Div3 or 4 team goes on a run in the championship they'll get at least some coverage. Now granted it doesn't happen very often but the chance is still there.

Tommy Murphy 2 will get the same coverage as Tommy Murphy 1 did and the lower hurling tiers currently get.

Now if I'm wrong then fair enough but I've never seen the slightest bit of evidence to suggest that either the Gaa or the media cares one jot about anything but the top teams."
Division 2 football and Tier 2 Division 1B hurling were given coverage. The profile of the teams involved will have an influence. It's the inclusion of Division 3 teams that sees this as a natural enhancement of the previous version.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 23/10/2019 14:07:04    2245232

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Replying To wexico15:  "Totally agree, I don't buy the argument that tiered doesn't work in hurling and won't work in football.

It does work in hurling gives teams a realistic goal to aim for, I doubt the hurlers of Laois, meath, sligo & leitrim would tell you tiered doesn't work after lifting silverware in croke park in june"
It depends on what you mean by work.

Lifting silverware becomes less meaningful the more tiers are added and the size of the divisions shrink.

The situation in football is very different to hurling with regards strength of teams over time.

You have say Derry, Westmeath, Roscommon have I think played in all 4 league divisions at some point over the last 10 years.

You don't see teams move up and down in standard like that in hurling.

You don't see non traditional counties in hurling get to All Ireland semifinals in the way the Wexford, Fermanagh and Tipperary have since the back door came in.

The hurling tiers really offer very little direct comparison to the football.

The hurling tiers also are at least trying to provide 3 or 4 championship games a season for every team. The suggested football isn't doing that.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2746 - 23/10/2019 15:02:33    2245249

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Replying To Whammo86:  "It depends on what you mean by work.

Lifting silverware becomes less meaningful the more tiers are added and the size of the divisions shrink.

The situation in football is very different to hurling with regards strength of teams over time.

You have say Derry, Westmeath, Roscommon have I think played in all 4 league divisions at some point over the last 10 years.

You don't see teams move up and down in standard like that in hurling.

You don't see non traditional counties in hurling get to All Ireland semifinals in the way the Wexford, Fermanagh and Tipperary have since the back door came in.

The hurling tiers really offer very little direct comparison to the football.

The hurling tiers also are at least trying to provide 3 or 4 championship games a season for every team. The suggested football isn't doing that."
It's a GAA solution to a GAA problem. Up to 25 teams can qualify for Tier 1. This variable number has affected the possibility of a double elimination format or round robin. How do you agree a structure for any thing from 7 to 16 teams. The clubs, does anyone think about the clubs?

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 6261 - 23/10/2019 15:43:02    2245266

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In 2017 Carlow played a home qualifier v Monaghan. Crowd around 8,000. Live on sky and considerable media coverage.
In 2018 Carlow played a home qualifier v Tyrone. Crowd around 10,000. Wasn't live but considerable media coverage.

That's gone now.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1164 - 23/10/2019 15:58:54    2245273

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Replying To Onion Breath:  "In 2017 Carlow played a home qualifier v Monaghan. Crowd around 8,000. Live on sky and considerable media coverage.
In 2018 Carlow played a home qualifier v Tyrone. Crowd around 10,000. Wasn't live but considerable media coverage.

That's gone now."
Carlow now also have a chance to lift championship silverware, something which was never going to happen in the foreseeable under the current structure.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 1646 - 23/10/2019 16:31:19    2245279

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Replying To legendzxix:  "It's a GAA solution to a GAA problem. Up to 25 teams can qualify for Tier 1. This variable number has affected the possibility of a double elimination format or round robin. How do you agree a structure for any thing from 7 to 16 teams. The clubs, does anyone think about the clubs?"
I'm with you that is crazy.

The scheduling is a problem.

The league is more important now but it doesn't seem likely to be accommodated at a better time of the year.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 2746 - 23/10/2019 16:37:54    2245281

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