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Is David Clifford The Best Footballer In The Country Right Now?

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Replying To essmac:  "[quote=ConnollyDub:  "''but for me Clifford has a level of natural skill that is above and beyond that of any other footballer in the country''

Maybe I'm being biased but for me Connolly is the most naturally gifted player i have ever seen. Not saying hes the most consistent, and of course hes not playing much lately. But in terms of raw natural ability hes the best ever.... IMO."
Saw him playing for his club v Slaughtneil couple of years ago. C McKaigue snuffed him out entire game"
Was it a friendly? Clifford hasn't won a Munster club title which would be required to play teams outside your province"]He's talking about Connolly. Not sure why the part about Clifford is in bold.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 348 - 12/08/2019 15:15:23    2224692

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Replying To Kerry15:  "
Replying To jonjon:  "[quote=essmac:  "[quote=ConnollyDub:  "''but for me Clifford has a level of natural skill that is above and beyond that of any other footballer in the country''

Maybe I'm being biased but for me Connolly is the most naturally gifted player i have ever seen. Not saying hes the most consistent, and of course hes not playing much lately. But in terms of raw natural ability hes the best ever.... IMO."
Saw him playing for his club v Slaughtneil couple of years ago. C McKaigue snuffed him out entire game"
Was it a friendly? Clifford hasn't won a Munster club title which would be required to play teams outside your province"]He's talking about Connolly. Not sure why the part about Clifford is in bold."]Great potential but no way the best footballer in the country. Fenton, McCaffrey, Mannion , Murphy,... Better than him at present.

fingalman (Dublin) - Posts: 225 - 12/08/2019 15:28:21    2224707

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Going to go with Clifford ton shine on Saturday. As you can tell by now huge fan of his but based on the last day he has the potential to really grasp this game and hes the type of fella that is needed to beat Dublin in my opinion. He has a real killer instinct and the ability to take a team by the throat.

Noone has been able to really capatlize on Dublin when they are showing a slight sign of weakness. I think He is the man for the job. If not for an off day (shooting wise) in the drawn game then he would have racked up 5 or 6 from play and maybe a goal too. I expect him to be better but lets hope I can come back here in a few days and say I was right lol

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 181 - 12/09/2019 16:19:23    2234797

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Replying To boman11:  "Going to go with Clifford ton shine on Saturday. As you can tell by now huge fan of his but based on the last day he has the potential to really grasp this game and hes the type of fella that is needed to beat Dublin in my opinion. He has a real killer instinct and the ability to take a team by the throat.

Noone has been able to really capatlize on Dublin when they are showing a slight sign of weakness. I think He is the man for the job. If not for an off day (shooting wise) in the drawn game then he would have racked up 5 or 6 from play and maybe a goal too. I expect him to be better but lets hope I can come back here in a few days and say I was right lol"
Philly's going to get him. All joking aside he's a handful alright although I think Fitzy did a superb job on him when Cooper went off. Will be interesting to see what Dublin do with the matchups on Sat. Tommy Walsh starting would be interesting. Philly has done great jobs on big FFs like AOS and "star" in the past but who knows if either will start.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4081 - 12/09/2019 18:15:13    2234836

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Replying To Joxer:  "Philly's going to get him. All joking aside he's a handful alright although I think Fitzy did a superb job on him when Cooper went off. Will be interesting to see what Dublin do with the matchups on Sat. Tommy Walsh starting would be interesting. Philly has done great jobs on big FFs like AOS and "star" in the past but who knows if either will start."
I actually think Philly is the best man to mark him on Saturday, like you said based on his previous performances against similar types of players he would be my pick. if not him then Fitzsimons as he was excellent last day

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 181 - 12/09/2019 18:34:11    2234840

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Replying To boman11:  "Going to go with Clifford ton shine on Saturday. As you can tell by now huge fan of his but based on the last day he has the potential to really grasp this game and hes the type of fella that is needed to beat Dublin in my opinion. He has a real killer instinct and the ability to take a team by the throat.

Noone has been able to really capatlize on Dublin when they are showing a slight sign of weakness. I think He is the man for the job. If not for an off day (shooting wise) in the drawn game then he would have racked up 5 or 6 from play and maybe a goal too. I expect him to be better but lets hope I can come back here in a few days and say I was right lol"
Defo a legend imo

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3733 - 12/09/2019 19:12:27    2234848

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Replying To Donegalman:  "Defo a legend imo"
You're a legend too big man

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 181 - 12/09/2019 20:11:21    2234864

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Himself and Seanie O'Shea will surpass Gooch, Cillian O'Connor and Canavan.

hamsterdean (Limerick) - Posts: 47 - 13/09/2019 21:31:28    2235106

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Basing this on current form, this year and right through into club championship at the minute. Noone doing the business like David Clifford, the best footballer in the country by a country mile for me, nobody even comes close to close.

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 181 - 22/10/2019 13:51:51    2244956

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Nah he's currently in top 10

Had a good championship but didn't overly shine I've seen Kerry posters saying he suffered a bit from 2nd season syndrome, he did fine but performed better in 2018.

He has potential but defenders figured him out a fair bit in 2019. He didn't offer much of a goal threat

Club football is club football.. I remember Connolly single handily win AI's at club level only to read comments degrading his efforts "Sure it's only club players"

An awful lot of hype around Clifford and going on 2019's performance at the highest level it's a little OTT

Con O'Callaghan was far more explosive and dynamic. Far more of a goal threat and his scoring/assists tell the story.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19764 - 22/10/2019 15:34:52    2244981

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Replying To boman11:  "Going to go with Clifford ton shine on Saturday. As you can tell by now huge fan of his but based on the last day he has the potential to really grasp this game and hes the type of fella that is needed to beat Dublin in my opinion. He has a real killer instinct and the ability to take a team by the throat.

Noone has been able to really capatlize on Dublin when they are showing a slight sign of weakness. I think He is the man for the job. If not for an off day (shooting wise) in the drawn game then he would have racked up 5 or 6 from play and maybe a goal too. I expect him to be better but lets hope I can come back here in a few days and say I was right lol"
So basically his poor shooting cost Kerry the final

Hardly the basis for such praise

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19764 - 22/10/2019 16:06:19    2244990

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Replying To jimbodub:  "So basically his poor shooting cost Kerry the final

Hardly the basis for such praise"
I would hardly say its fair to say that an off day by one player cost their county a final? there were plenty of factors that contribute to 'costing' the game. to single handily pick out one player for that is very unfair, besides bar his shooting not being on point that day he was probably one of Kerrys better performers. Yes he missed a few chances but he never stopped showing for the ball ( the sign of a good forward) he absolutely roasted Cooper that day aswell, was far too much of a handful and Cooper clearly couldn't cope. He came good towards the end of the game with 2 nice scores, when the game was neck and neck. And lets not forget that in the replay he put it all right, fantastic performance and more than made up for the few missed the last day. Another sign of a classy forward.

But to say that if he had of been on top form the first day they would have won is a fair statement as he still racked up a couple of nice scores and maybe on a different day the ones he missed would have gone over which on that day would have won the game.

I don't think its fair to say any one player cost their team an AI, its an AI final so you will be playing against the best of the best. There should never be all that pressure on one lad, after all, Paul Geaney another super player but didn't play his best, did he cost them final or just Clifford?
But to say on a better day one of them scores might have won it for Kerry is completely fair as its just truth, but we will never know.

I think an awful lot of people give Clifford too much criticism based on the hype that he gets. As if he has to be exceptional every single time. That will never happen, every great player I have ever watched I have also watched have quiet games. If you just watch this lad play and remove all the hype, his game is much superior to that of anyone else in the country, there is nothing he cant do. He can field a high ball, take a score on either foot, phenomenal handwork with the ball, extremely skilful, loves to take defenders on, fantastic movement inside, can take free kicks, and he definitely holds his own in terms of physicality for a young player. An extremely intelligent player too, he scored a goal there this week for East Kerry as im sure many of you have seen, it was a poor high ball in to him which always favoured the defender, but the way he had the presence of mind to slap the defenders arm causing him to spill the ball and he was in one and one. Absolute class.

The most complete footballer in the country

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 181 - 22/10/2019 17:21:01    2245004

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Replying To jimbodub:  "So basically his poor shooting cost Kerry the final

Hardly the basis for such praise"
Definitely not the best footballers in the country.

I would have Con O'Callaghan any day.
And a great Hurler also.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 2810 - 22/10/2019 17:21:24    2245005

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Con ocallagn

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1015 - 22/10/2019 18:34:21    2245027

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Replying To hamsterdean:  "Himself and Seanie O'Shea will surpass Gooch, Cillian O'Connor and Canavan."
Aye right enough

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 607 - 22/10/2019 19:36:02    2245042

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Clifford shouldn't even be getting an All star for his showing in 2019

Best footballer in the country??

For feck sake there were better Kerry forwards far more deserving

Clifford was largely figured out in 2019

A large part of why he wasn't half as effective compared to 2018 where he was excellent and deserving of much praise

He's dropped down into the pack and with defenders figuring out his movement and largely nullifying his goal threat he'll have plenty to work on.

Also he was blessed not to receive a red card for his elbow on Murchan

The silence surrounding that tackle of course is unsurprising

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19764 - 22/10/2019 20:15:21    2245052

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Replying To Fionn:  "Definitely not the best footballers in the country.

I would have Con O'Callaghan any day.
And a great Hurler also."
He'll just have to retire now seeing as you've cast your verdict on the matter

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 255 - 22/10/2019 20:23:56    2245054

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Replying To Fionn:  "Definitely not the best footballers in the country.

I would have Con O'Callaghan any day.
And a great Hurler also."
Me too

Con can score just as freely but is far more direct and now one of the best ball winners and I've lost count of his direct assists

Better tackler and works far more effectively for the team in doing the dirty hard work compared to Clifford

Then at a flick of a switch can do outstanding acts of skill at pace

Get back to me on Clifford when he's scored the type of goals that Con has in huge games

Imagine if Clifford had scored the same sorts of goals... Tsunami of jizz time!

Poems would be written..

Unreal moments of skill that resulted in goals

That's what separates the best from the rest

And that's what Con is all about...

If it wasn't for Cluxtons ridiculously good performances in both finals, Con would be a shoe in for POTY

Last time I looked the "best player in the country" wasn't even story listed and his Kerry team mate deserves YPOTY after a far more impressive showing

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19764 - 22/10/2019 20:26:10    2245055

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Either way Clifford and o'callaghan will both be legends of the game

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1015 - 22/10/2019 20:52:45    2245061

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His ability is staggering and I quoted here last year saying that at the same age when Fitzgerald was 18 years old in 1988 comparing the two I think at that age I would have him ahead of Fitzgerald,.

Watching him at intercounty level and over the last few weeks his array of shills is astounding. But it's just the way he carries himself, even after the game 15 minutes after the final whistle he is still on the field signing kids jerseys and posing for selfies. It's not all about what he does when the ref's whistle is blown in my eyes it's the way he conducts himself and in fairness in this regard he is well grounded and a credit to himself.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 4256 - 22/10/2019 21:18:14    2245068

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